The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Leanne1812

mollycat wrote: »

Or even more truthful, most people in Scotland don't want another in dependence referendum.

That may well be how it appears now however once brexit terms are known who knows. Everything is up in the air at the moment.

I haven't been involved in this thread for quite some time as I thought another Indy ref was very unlikely and therefore there was no point in debate/discussion. I now think it is quite likely the appetite for one is growing especially with the utter chaos surrounding brexit.

loadsacash

Leanne1812 wrote: »

That may well be how it appears now however once brexit terms are known who knows. Everything is up in the air at the moment.

I haven't been involved in this thread for quite some time as I thought another Indy ref was very unlikely and therefore there was no point in debate/discussion. I now think it is quite likely the appetite for one is growing especially with the utter chaos surrounding brexit.

There is chaos surrounding Brexit and there will be chaos after a Yes vote! Obviously Scotland will be out of the EU and in the process of leaving the UK. Scotland will meed to negotiate how much of the UK debt they will have to take on and things that we all share such as DVLA, Customs and Excise and Diplomatic Service. Will Scotland contribute to this or set up on their own. This will need to be sorted out as well as Immigration. If Scotland wants an open door on Immigration, the rest of the UK will not want this and there will have to be some sort of boarder with Scotland.

The terms will need to be negotiated and Nicola Sturgeon is good at telling us what she wants but not very good at negotiation.

mollycat

Leanne1812 wrote: »

That may well be how it appears now however once brexit terms are known who knows. Everything is up in the air at the moment.

I haven't been involved in this thread for quite some time as I thought another Indy ref was very unlikely and therefore there was no point in debate/discussion. I now think it is quite likely the appetite for one is growing especially with the utter chaos surrounding brexit.

The lack of insight/foresight into the utter chaos and financial meltdown that would occur if Scotland became an independent country by the indy brigage is startling.

Would make brexit look like small beer by comparison.

Unless they do realise what it wouls be like, but it's "indy at all costs", and any of the poor souls that rely on a strong economy for their pension, benefits, schools, employment etc etc can all just go suffer!

westernpromise

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/03/scottish-drug-deaths-hit-record-high-amid-calls-radical-new/

There were 934 drug-related deaths registered in 2017, 66 more than the previous year and the largest number since the figures were first collated in 1996.

The statistics from the National Records of Scotland also show that Scotland's drug death rate is roughly two and half times the UK rate.

Well, I guess there isn't much else to do in Scotland, to be fair.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

loadsacash wrote: »

It was 45% four years ago!

Aye, but staying in the UK was 55% 4 years ago, now it's fallen to 46%.;)

Brexit changes things a lot...

Whether it's enough of a change for Indy now depends entirely on whether the Tories are still daft enough to go for a hard Brexit, or whether they now start to compromise and keep us closer to a Norway or Switzerland type of option.

Shakethedisease

loadsacash wrote: »

It was 45% four years ago!

Nicola Sturgeon will not call another referendum until the yes side starts polling 60% for at least a year!

Scotland does not want an Independence Referendum

They'll vote if one is called regardless. All Sturgeon has to do is name the date and set the wheels turning. Not quite yet though.. the Tories can still make even more of a mess of Brexit than they have so far.

loadsacash

I don't think Brexit really makes that much difference really.

If Scotland voted for Independence in 2014, we would be out of the EU by now anyway so I doubt Independence supporters want to be part of the EU.

I voted No in 2014 and remain in 2016.
In my opinion the EU campaign had the same arguments as the Independence Referendum Both were divisive and pretty bad tempered at times. We were promised the earth if we voted out but each had its risks and uncertainties, and when the voting was done, that's it its done and there is no going back.

loadsacash

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They'll vote if one is called regardless. All Sturgeon has to do is name the date and set the wheels turning. Not quite yet though.. the Tories can still make even more of a mess of Brexit than they have so far.

So when Nicola Sturgeon said that she would wait until Yes were polling at 60% for a year before calling for another vote she was lying.

By the was she has to still get the go ahead from Theresa May before there is any referendum and I cant see Theresa May going ahead with that as she is much more cautious than David Cameron!

Shakethedisease

loadsacash wrote: »

I don't think Brexit really makes that much difference really.

If Scotland voted for Independence in 2014, we would be out of the EU by now anyway so I doubt Independence supporters want to be part of the EU.

I voted No in 2014 and remain in 2016.
In my opinion the EU campaign had the same arguments as the Independence Referendum Both were divisive and pretty bad tempered at times. We were promised the earth if we voted out but each had its risks and uncertainties, and when the voting was done, that's it its done and there is no going back.

If Brexit starts hitting folks in the pocket and with job losses.. and an indy vote is offered as a way to stay or be fast tracked into the Single Market. Just watch what happens.

Either Theresa decides to ignore her hard line Brexiteers and stay in the Single Market or there will be a vote in Scotland very soon. The Scottish Government won't allow Scotland to be taken out of it without one under ANY circumstances. And the legislation/mandate for a second vote has already been passed (in Holyrood). This was the only conclusion on the cards since the day after the Brexit referendum.

Nicola Sturgeon didn't say anything about 60% in the polls. That was a media story from an unnamed 'source'. She's also been content for the last year to sit back and watch the Tories make a complete a**e of Brexit. Which they have but crunch points are coming very soon now. Jobs and businesses are already talking about leaving the UK due to Brexit, watch the SNP offer Scots a way off the UK sinking ship.

Theresa May won't allow another referendum like last time. The Yes/SNP campaign will have to find another way. But they'll let May refuse to 'let' Scotland hold a vote to boost independence support first !

baldelectrician

loadsacash wrote: »

they will have to take on and things that we all share such as DVLA, Customs and Excise and Diplomatic Service. Will Scotland contribute to this or set up on their own.

Excellent point


Currently Scottish tax payers pay their fair share of these services with little or no employment benefit to Scotland


Once independence happens then we will either use (and pay to do use) or set our own things up
If we decide to set our own things up there will be a jobs boost in Scotland (at little or no fiscal cost as we pay for these things now).