The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

So now you are saying that a Survation poll is a reliable source.

Make up your mind.:)

I don't have to make up my mind at all.

The Scotsman's poll you're commenting on is from a little known outfit called SIRP and the poll offered 4 options on Scotland's furture including Devo Max. Therefore the actual independence question pollsters usually ask wasn't there.

The poll, carried out last month, found support for independence at 32 per cent, while 17 per cent backed devo max - which would hand all powers to Holyrood short of defence and foreign affairs - with the remainder undecided...The poll, carried out last month, found support for independence at 32 per cent, while 17 per cent backed devo max - which would hand all powers to Holyrood short of defence and foreign affairs - with the remainder undecided.

The poll also shows a simple majority of 36% in favour of the status quo. But with almost the same number (32%) in favour of Scottish independence, this does not end the issue for a generation.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-support-for-scottish-independence-at-32-1-4683018

In other words, this wasn't a Yes/No poll but the Scotsman is going to spin it that way anyway. The last poll by Survation which asked the usual pollster question put independence support at 46%.

In other news Welcome back Alex ! Things are hotting up again and it'll be good to see him back.

. But one thing is for certain, when Nicola fires the starting gun on the independence referendum I!!!8217;ll be on my marks and ready to help in any way I can.

Salmond made his declaration during a speech which had been billed as Salmond speaking on the State of the Nation but which was largely his personal opinion of the state of the Yes movement as it prepares for a second referendum, including his view that Scotland should take the EFTA route back to Europe.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/16233776.Alex_Salmond_reveals_intention_to_return_to_frontline_politics/

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

Shakey is gamely flying the flag for Indy, but I think Scots voting against it in the "once in a lifetime referendum", followed by them voting in a dozen Tory MPs at the last general election was the final two dozen nails in that coffin.

I'm always game for that Independence will come about because the Tories are going to try and smash up Devolution. It'll be a step waaaaay too far for many.

Also polls like this one had a few confirmed unionists convinced of how loved Scotland is within our precious union.. choking on their cornflakes yesterday morning.

English voters would rather sacrifice Scotland than Gibraltar for Brexit

Pollsters from Panelbase asked people south of the Border for their views on a scenario in which the price of leaving the EU would be for the UK to be without Scotland or Northern Ireland or Gibraltar. Voters expressed most concern about Gibraltar heading off, followed by Scotland, and were least concerned about Northern Ireland opting to go....

Just a third of English voters dont think it'd be worth ditching Scotland to get out of the EU.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/16232803.English_voters_would_rather_sacrifice_Scotland_than_Gibraltar_for_Brexit/?ref=mr&lp=1

LABMAN

SNP now ~11 years in Government in Scotland have failed to deliver on their number one aim. FAIL!

molerat

Here we go again :mad:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44188668

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm always game for that Independence will come about because the Tories are going to try and smash up Devolution. It'll be a step waaaaay too far for many.

Also polls like this one had a few confirmed unionists convinced of how loved Scotland is within our precious union.. choking on their cornflakes yesterday morning. http://www.thenational.scot/news/16232803.English_voters_would_rather_sacrifice_Scotland_than_Gibraltar_for_Brexit/?ref=mr&lp=1

If it was in the National it would have been a few. Has the circulation of that paper made triple figures yet? It's wee. Very very wee.

I would also be interested in a source for that poll. The people who want Brexit at all in England are only just over 50%. So claiming that English people want to get rid of Scotland to get out of the EU is a stretch.

It sounds more like something that's designed to fit Nats' anti English narrative than gauge opinion.

Have you ever been to England, you might like it. That Wings Over Scotland chap you like, liked it so much he left his wings over Scotland and moved to the most quintessentially English Tory infested part he could find.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

If it was in the National it would have been a few. Has the circulation of that paper made triple figures yet? It's wee. Very very wee.

I would also be interested in a source for that poll. The people who want Brexit at all in England are only just over 50%. So claiming that English people want to get rid of Scotland to get out of the EU is a stretch.

It sounds more like something that's designed to fit Nats' anti English narrative than gauge opinion.

Have you ever been to England, you might like it. That Wings Over Scotland chap you like, liked it so much he left his wings over Scotland and moved to the most quintessentially English Tory infested part he could find.

I lived in England for many years. My husband is English. And gosh.. wouldn't you be the very very first person ever ever ever to carp on about how Nats = Anti-English. Well done you !

The poll in question since you mention him was for WoS and carried out by Panelbase. In other words just as legit as any other BPC poll. He's been releasing the results over the last few days, has made for some very interesting reading ( and headlines ). The poll tables are here https://drgpanelbasestore.blob.core.windows.net/public/PB/Panelbase_Com_Polls/F11548Tablesforpublication310118.pdf

Things definitely ramping up again. Growth Commission report finally being published. Sturgeon appearing on tv talking about restarting the independence debate and they even had Stu Campbell (WoS chap) on Sunday Politics (Scottish) this morning.

Nicola Sturgeon will "restart the debate" on Scottish independence this week as her party's economic growth commission report is published.


"..But of course over the next couple of weeks we will, I suppose, restart a debate about why independence for Scotland is an opportunity and what those opportunities are."As you know we've had a growth commission looking at the economic opportunities of independence.
"Its report will be published in the coming days and I think that's quite an important moment, because if you think about the last couple of years in the UK it has been very much a debate about how we cope with the damage of Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44188668

Thrugelmir

molerat wrote: »

Here we go again :mad:

The border issue will be interesting. Given the current Irish debate.

Shakethedisease

This and these sorts of stories have gone down like a bucket of cold sick and have given the Scottish Govt/Parliament the ideal example of why it will never approve the Withdrawal Bill as it stands. Imagine the Scottish Parliament having no say whatsoever on issues like the below. A ridiculous notion, yet one Westminster Tory MP's seem to think is a reasonable ask. It's not.

Secret Brexit deal could threaten scotch whisky

Spirit is under threat from US imports in classified talks to remove barriers to trade

"We're always told that international trade deals will help us sell more whisky but this latest information from the US trade representative shows a trade deal with the US could actually be a threat to this iconic drink.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/20/secret-brexit-deal-scotch-whisky-threat-us-imports

Shakethedisease

Another new currency debate too. Fantastic just what we all wanted..:doh:

SCOTLAND will create its own currency if it votes for independence in a new referendum. The creation of the new money will be at the centre of a new blueprint for independence to be launched by the SNP within days


The Commission’s plan would see Scotland continue to use the pound on the first day of separation but on an unofficial basis. There would then be a transition period to a new Scottish currency, initially pegged to Sterling. The Commission, led by former MSP turned public relations director Andrew Wilson, is also expected to back a golden visa’ drive to attract wealthy investors to settle in Scotland, while the tax laws would be simplified with tougher penalties for those cheating the system.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-independence-new-scots-currency-plan-if-yes-wins-new-vote-1-4742129


I don't dare read the comments section on there though.

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I lived in England for many years. My husband is English. And gosh.. wouldn't you be the very very first person ever ever ever to carp on about how Nats = Anti-English. Well done you !

The poll in question since you mention him was for WoS and carried out by Panelbase. In other words just as legit as any other BPC poll. He's been releasing the results over the last few days, has made for some very interesting reading ( and headlines ). The poll tables are here https://drgpanelbasestore.blob.core.windows.net/public/PB/Panelbase_Com_Polls/F11548Tablesforpublication310118.pdf

Things definitely ramping up again. Growth Commission report finally being published. Sturgeon appearing on tv talking about restarting the independence debate and they even had Stu Campbell (WoS chap) on Sunday Politics (Scottish) this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44188668

From your Panelbase link:

Client: Wings over Scotland
Agency: Panelbase
Universe: Adults resident in Scotland
Methodology: Online
Sample size: 1022
Fieldwork dates: 15 December - 20 December 2017

Yes, highly representative of the English voter. A self selecting online poll of people who state their favourite film is Braveheart.

I like the part where 26% of Scottish respondents would vote Tory were there an election tomorrow.

Freedom!