The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Good to see Shakey still arguing for the union without actually knowing it.

It's like the sun rising and setting, nailed on.

Thrugelmir

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Good to see Shakey still arguing for the union without actually knowing it.

It's like the sun rising and setting, nailed on.

As soon as people sit on the sidelines. You know their days are numbered.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I prefer a wider UK context for comparison.





Your NHS is lagging well behind the Scottish one on lots of criteria. So much so that the Nuffield trust wants the other UK NHS's to learn lessons from the Scottish one.

But surely a much more rural country would rely on heavier numbers of GPs spread more locally whereas a country with many more urban conurbations would see many services provided by dedicated centres and other medical units and so need less GP's doling out every kind of treatment?
http://www.nhsemployers.org/~/media/Employers/Documents/Primary%20care%20contracts/GMS/GMS%20Finance/Global%20Sum/fr92_deloitte_final_report_rurality_adjustment_cd_120209.pdf

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't think any of you are quite getting the point yet. This Brexit thing is going really badly and there's little time left to rectify things. Should the UK leave without a deal and even a quarter of the horror stories about food prices, farmers and manufacturing going to the wall, medicines, NHS staff shortages etc etc even look vaguely possible in the near future..... Scotland having another vote to leave the UK won't be about oil, RBS or Westminster subs. It'll be purely about damage limitation. No one will give a toss about RBS when milk or meat prices go sky high, the local radiology dept has to shut down ( Euratom ) and no one can fly in or out of the EU.

I hope Davis is negotiating hard, because telling the EU to whistle for their money isn't going to avoid the above.

I think the above is you transferring your own personal views onto the rest of the Scottish people. The problem being with that, is the answer to most Scots now is less nationalism rather than more.
I see no evidence that the Scots want to compound a possible disastrous Brexit by voting to leave a Union that would act as a not inconsiderable firewall to the negative economic fall out that might occur in Scotland post Brexit.
In these uncertain times, Scots are finding comfort in the Union not expressing a desire to leave it. Like Sturgeon, you're out of touch with your own people.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No one will give a toss about RBS when milk or meat prices go sky high, the local radiology dept has to shut down ( Euratom ) and no one can fly in or out of the EU

What?

Lets examine the absurdity here...

1. Meat & milk. The best (from your perspective) that I can find is that 25% of our food produce comes from the EU. That means 75% is either self sufficient or comes from elsewhere in the world. Easy solutions are available.

2. Euatom & radiology. You do know the UK has their own organisation still running and that Euratom membership is not a pre-requisite for running the local radiology department right? http://www.onr.org.uk/ it's nothing to do with Euratom, Euratom is essentially just a set of homogeneous policies across the EU.

3. Air travel. This is almost unbelievable, that you thought typing let alone posting this was in any way credible. Do you really believe that no one will be able to fly in to the EU from the UK or vice versa? I wonder how Quantas, Emirates, AA, FlyUIA, etc... deal with this problem.

I don't get why staunch Remainers continue to try to convince people they are correct with absolutely ridiculous claims like the above. It's like the indy-meme's all over again.

If you believe something it should be based in fact, if it's based in fact then you ought to be able to convince those open to fact based reasoning of the benefits of your point of view. What you're posting doesn't appear to be in any way related to facts.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Good to see Shakey still arguing for the union without actually knowing it.

It's like the sun rising and setting, nailed on.

I have no idea what you're on about.

There are some roasters here still going on about things like RBS, Barnett and NHS outpatient waiting times... as if they'll matter if this Brexit thing turns into a disaster.

This Brexit thing turning NOT turning into a complete disaster is the only thing holding the union together at the present time. Sturgeon and everyone else of an indy persuasion can bide their time for now and let the spotlights hit Davis, May and Corbyn for a while. As already stated, Holyrood has already voted on the right to hold a second referendum.

Shakethedisease

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

But surely a much more rural country would rely on heavier numbers of GPs spread more locally whereas a country with many more urban conurbations would see many services provided by dedicated centres and other medical units and so need less GP's doling out every kind of treatment?
http://www.nhsemployers.org/~/media/Employers/Documents/Primary%20care%20contracts/GMS/GMS%20Finance/Global%20Sum/fr92_deloitte_final_report_rurality_adjustment_cd_120209.pdf

The graph was only one of many. Patient satisfaction being another. Look them up but I think you'll find on most areas, the Scottish NHS is outperforming elsewhere in the UK. No matter what the Express says.

Scotland

Spending: £2,160 per person
Key fact: Scotland was the last nation to hits its A&E target - in July.
The system: The NHS is run by 14 health boards that organise hospital and community services. Social care is organised by councils with personal care - that is help with washing and dressing - provided free in people's homes and residential care if an individual has high needs.
The story so far: Out of all the four nations, hospitals in Scotland seem to have fared the best.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38853700

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What?

Lets examine the absurdity here...

1. Meat & milk. The best (from your perspective) that I can find is that 25% of our food produce comes from the EU. That means 75% is either self sufficient or comes from elsewhere in the world. Easy solutions are available.

2. Euatom & radiology. You do know the UK has their own organisation still running and that Euratom membership is not a pre-requisite for running the local radiology department right? http://www.onr.org.uk/ it's nothing to do with Euratom, Euratom is essentially just a set of homogeneous policies across the EU.

3. Air travel. This is almost unbelievable, that you thought typing let alone posting this was in any way credible. Do you really believe that no one will be able to fly in to the EU from the UK or vice versa? I wonder how Quantas, Emirates, AA, FlyUIA, etc... deal with this problem.

I don't get why staunch Remainers continue to try to convince people they are correct with absolutely ridiculous claims like the above. It's like the indy-meme's all over again.

If you believe something it should be based in fact, if it's based in fact then you ought to be able to convince those open to fact based reasoning of the benefits of your point of view. What you're posting doesn't appear to be in any way related to facts.

It's quotes and things from the FT Tricky. Much as I'd like to take the credit for these economic predictions, they aren't mine. Sorry.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

I think the above is you transferring your own personal views onto the rest of the Scottish people. The problem being with that, is the answer to most Scots now is less nationalism rather than more.
I see no evidence that the Scots want to compound a possible disastrous Brexit by voting to leave a Union that would act as a not inconsiderable firewall to the negative economic fall out that might occur in Scotland post Brexit.
In these uncertain times, Scots are finding comfort in the Union not expressing a desire to leave it. Like Sturgeon, you're out of touch with your own people.

It'll all depend on how Brexit hits their pockets won't it Tromking ? Not much comfort to be found in a UK where remaining in it means the loss of your job or your business is there ? The politically convinced are already in the bag ( 45% ish ), if Brexit starts hitting pockets it won't take much for the economically unconvinced to start considering other options.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's quotes and things from the FT Tricky. Much as I'd like to take the credit for these economic predictions, they aren't mine. Sorry.

You're happy to quote it but you didn't check the facts?

Airlines from around the world fly in and out of the EU, clearly people from outside the EU do not need to be in it in order to catch a plane that goes there.

Euratom appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what Euratom is/does.

And the food produce ignores the rest of the world, presumably also thinking that the EU produces the vast majority of UK food produce when it doesn't.