The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Is there anything which Brexit isn't getting blamed for?

It must feel like the last two weeks of the 2014 Scottish ref to Brexiteers at the moment where the media is concerned.

However it doesn't negate the overall point. IF there is a Scottish referendum in the next two years, it'll be purely off the back of disastrous Brexit negotiations and outcomes. And it'll be taking place for damage limitation purposes.

No one will care about oil, Barnett, currency or RBS by that point. Right now, the SNP and people like me are sitting back and watching the show. Thats quite a list the FT has put together.

How ‘no deal’ could bring Britain to a halt

How a ‘no deal’ will hit industry —
Food and Drink
"There would be massive disruption.” - Ian Wright, director-general, Food and Drink Federation © Bloomberg
Problem: Supply chains are extremely efficient, enabling almost a third of food in UK supermarkets to be imported from the EU and on to the shelves within two days. Any import delays would lead to food shortages.

Medicines
Medicines licensed in the UK would need to be re-licensed elsewhere in the EU following a no deal scenario in order to maintain sales in the single market. © Bloomberg

Problem: All medicines legally marketed in the EU must be licensed in a member state of the union. Well over a thousand medicines will need to have their licences moved from the UK before Brexit to ensure they can still be sold afterwards.
Industry comment: “This is not like transferring a filing cabinet from one location to another . . . This will take time and investment” Virginia Acha, Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry executive director

Farming
Problem: Animal and food products can only be exported to the EU from a third country through registered border inspection posts. And northern France has only two: Le Havre and Dunkirk. These do not have the capacity to take the current flow of products from the UK which currently do not need checking.

Industry comment: “We would see huge disruption in terms of cost and actually getting [products] there. It does work both ways . . . surpluses and shortages, good and bad for farmers” Tom Keen, National Farmers Union

https://www.ft.com/content/2ec71ab4-688a-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, just another made up Express article.

Just because it's the Express doesn't mean it's wrong. There are other sources which confirm the figures. Try googling and then if you think you're right you can post some links like you do when they suit your agenda.

NCC-1707

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, just another made up Express article.

How about this for a source for you then:-

http://www.thenational.scot/news/15412978.Outpatient_wait_times_rise_sharply_as_SNP_say_new_strategy_will_deal_with_demand/

Better for you?

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't think any of you are quite getting the point yet. This Brexit thing is going really badly and there's little time left to rectify things. Should the UK leave without a deal and even a quarter of the horror stories about food prices, farmers and manufacturing going to the wall, medicines, NHS staff shortages etc etc even look vaguely possible in the near future..... Scotland having another vote to leave the UK won't be about oil, RBS or Westminster subs. It'll be purely about damage limitation. No one will give a toss about RBS when milk or meat prices go sky high, the local radiology dept has to shut down ( Euratom ) and no one can fly in or out of the EU.

I hope Davis is negotiating hard, because telling the EU to whistle for their money isn't going to avoid the above.

There's no evidence that 'the Brexit thing is going really badly'. You shouldn't listen to the constant noise of the Remoaners and the faux-Brexiteers of the Labour party. Unless of course, you're referring to the fact that Sturgeon spent a load of public money going to see Barnier and was given short shrift.

Do you really expect the government to publicly disclose their hand?

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hard Brexiteers.

Still spouting this nonsense. We are either inn or we are out.

cogito

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/829717/Union-flag-Edinburgh-Tattoo-Edinburgh-Castle

Can this really be true? If the Scots can't fix a flagpole in a month, how can they expect to run an independent country?

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Just because it's the Express doesn't mean it's wrong. There are other sources which confirm the figures. Try googling and then if you think you're right you can post some links like you do when they suit your agenda.

There's little point in posting anything from the Express when it comes to the SNP. The headline usually bears little relation to the article underneath. If you're posting links from there to validate a point then you're wasting your time.

The Scottish NHS is the best in the UK. Not prefect, but certainly better than all it's UK counterparts and lots of us feel very lucky when we see some of the stories about the English and Welsh NHS's and their performance levels.

I’m no fan of the SNP, but they know what they’re doing on health

The SNP recognises the huge pressures we’re under, and the need to reduce demand for acute services. If the opposition brings up a patient’s case in first minister’s questions, the heat can turn up quite quickly and it all gets a bit political on this particular tightrope. I have to say that they do attempt to be supportive, particularly when the media try to whip up a non-story. I was glad to be in Scotland after the recent NHS cyber-attack, when the UK home secretary’s language was about who was to blame, while the Scottish government was more supportive in tone.

https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/views-from-the-nhs-frontline/2017/jul/03/snp-know-what-theyre-doing-health

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's little point in posting anything from the Express when it comes to the SNP. The headline usually bears little relation to the article underneath. If you're posting links from there to validate a point then you're wasting your time.

The Scottish NHS is the best in the UK. Not prefect, but certainly better than all it's UK counterparts and lots of us feel very lucky when we see some of the stories about the English and Welsh NHS's and their performance levels.

https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/views-from-the-nhs-frontline/2017/jul/03/snp-know-what-theyre-doing-health

Interesting that the writer chose to remain anonymous. Can't imagine why.

Oh, yes I can. His staff and patients might not agree.

Shakethedisease

NCC-1707 wrote: »

How about this for a source for you then:-

http://www.thenational.scot/news/15412978.Outpatient_wait_times_rise_sharply_as_SNP_say_new_strategy_will_deal_with_demand/

Better for you?

I prefer a wider UK context for comparison.

UK health services could 'learn lessons' from Scottish NHS

He added: "Scotland's well thought-through system of improving patient safety and quality of care works by engaging frontline staff in the process, and importantly the country has stuck with that approach rather than chopping and changing every couple of years.

Your NHS is lagging well behind the Scottish one on lots of criteria. So much so that the Nuffield trust wants the other UK NHS's to learn lessons from the Scottish one.

Learning from Scotland’s NHS

This report looks at Scotland’s unique health care system, and explores how other parts of the UK might be able to learn from it.

Published: 05/07/2017

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/research/learning-from-scotland-s-nhs MUCH better than any of that Express crap don't you think ? And much more reflective of the real state of play in Health Services in Scotland at the present time. While they're not perfect, they are in fact better than yours right now. The English, Welsh and NI NHS's really do need to start doing better, there's no SNP to blame either.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't think any of you are quite getting the point yet. This Brexit thing is going really badly and there's little time left to rectify things.

Right now, the SNP and people like me are sitting back and watching the show.

Meanwhile some of us are getting on with life. C'est la vie as the French would say. As it's not Government decisions that will shape the future direction of this island but it's people. Hence my comment about Brexit being blamed for everything. Outside of the EU soap opera. The Indians, the Chinese, the Saudis, The Japanese etc are simply getting on with business. Ultimately there may be no substantial European industry left in certain sectors. Even the EU has to walk a fine line.