The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

I addressed the total fallacy of the statements / graph you chose made in your post that Scotland had more GP's and so it was superior. I didn't address anything else.

Same BBC article also notes it is not Scotland overall but two parts of it doing better.
"But most of the progress has been concentrated in and around Glasgow and Edinburgh, where over a quarter of the population lives."

So my objection was not to the facts - but your extrapolating rubbish from facts e.g. on GP numbers or asserting the whole of Scotland is way better when that is not the case.

The Scottish NHS as a whole and overall is currently performing better than the English NHS, much better than the Welsh one and much, much better than the NI one.

As the report says, you should be taking lessons, not scoffing, this is people's health we're talking about after all. You should be taking all the good advice and lessons you can get surely ?

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And you my friend are in denial. http://www.politico.eu/pro/brexit-nuclear-hinkley-point-22-billion-pay-out/

Which has nothing to do with what you said.

Is that a local radiology clinic? Bloody expensive and massive one for the people of the village of Watchet if it is...

So no, I'm not in denial, you're just wrong and you're trying to find a way out. Euratom membership is purely policy, the enforcement and administration is completely different as I've previously explained. Without reading the article you've linked I'd wager that the complication you speak of in leaving Euratom has everything to do with EDF rather than nuclear regulation and enforcement.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And they aren't threatening strike action either ? Why's that do you think ?

What's that got to do with what you said?

Essentially you said "Scotland is doing much better than the rest of the UK, and here's a chart to show you why.", you then failed to realise that you're arguing for the union in making this argument because outside of the union you would not be able to finance the Scottish NHS in the same way it is now without massive cuts to other areas of government, large taxation increases or a combination of the two.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't want a subsidy. That's why I will vote for independence in any future referendum or vote.

I'm sure your feelings are going to go a hell of a long way in paying for the upkeep of all those GP's you crow about. :rotfl:

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't want a subsidy. That's why I will vote for independence in any future referendum or vote.

But you're keeping it anyway. If you feel so strongly about it, you can write a cheque for the £1600 you effectively got from the hated Westminster last year. I bet you won't.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't want a subsidy. That's why I will vote for independence in any future referendum or vote.

Only got to find 2k or so from every single Scottish resident age 0-115 then and that is the NHS subsidy shortfall sorted...

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And you my friend are in denial. http://www.politico.eu/pro/brexit-nuclear-hinkley-point-22-billion-pay-out/

Nothing at all to do with that being a typical EU reaction to suggestions like this, then?

UK threatens to return radioactive waste to EU without nuclear deal

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/19/uk-threatens-to-return-radioactive-waste-to-eu-without-nuclear-deal
:whistle:

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Which has nothing to do with what you said.

Is that a local radiology clinic? Bloody expensive and massive one for the people of the village of Watchet if it is...

So no, I'm not in denial, you're just wrong and you're trying to find a way out. Euratom membership is purely policy, the enforcement and administration is completely different as I've previously explained. Without reading the article you've linked I'd wager that the complication you speak of in leaving Euratom has everything to do with EDF rather than nuclear regulation and enforcement.

No you're in denial.

Radioactive isotopes play a crucial role in diagnosing and treating cancer in the UK. Material used for PET/CT scanning is manufactured in the UK. The rest of our supply of radioisotopes – used in scanning and the systemic and internal treatment of a wide range of cancers – is imported from Europe and further afield.

Recent data show that in England around half a million scans are performed annually using imported radioisotopes*, while more than 10,000 patients across the UK have their cancers directly treated by these materials**.“The Royal College of Radiologists, like others in medicine and industry, is seriously concerned about continued access to these materials if we leave the Euratom treaty under Brexit.

https://www.rcr.ac.uk/posts/rcr-statement-potential-impact-leaving-euratom-treaty Monday 10 July 2017

This IS of course, your local radiology clinic. Hinkley is another possible consequence due to other factors.

Currently the Euratom Supply Agency guarantees equal access to nuclear raw materials to the Member States. By pulling out of Euratom, the UK will have to re-negotiate commercial contracts to ensure provision of nuclear fuel, ores and fissile materials.

http://bruegel.org/2017/02/brexit-goes-nuclear-the-consequences-of-leaving-euratom/

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What's that got to do with what you said?

Essentially you said "Scotland is doing much better than the rest of the UK, and here's a chart to show you why.", you then failed to realise that you're arguing for the union in making this argument because outside of the union you would not be able to finance the Scottish NHS in the same way it is now without massive cuts to other areas of government, large taxation increases or a combination of the two.

Tricky, I think we are both well aware after all the this time we've been debating.. that arguing in favour of the union isn't something I tend to do.

The Scottish NHS is doing better than the English, Welsh and NI ones. However there are gullible and hilariously misinformed posters here who think that the Express is a good source of reliable, balanced and spin free source of information about how the Scottish Govt is doing re the Scottish NHS. So they post it here a) for gullible others with Bambi eyes to believe too or b ) so I can have a good giggle.

I only posted the one graph. Not because it's the only one available but because I don't want to become another Shaka posting screeds of huge meme's and pictures up that no one reads anyway.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

But you're keeping it anyway. If you feel so strongly about it, you can write a cheque for the £1600 you effectively got from the hated Westminster last year. I bet you won't.

Writing cheques is a little bit outdated. But it really should be obvious to anyone with half a brain cell, that Scottish independence is about getting rid of Westminster subsidies. It's Scottish Labour, the Ruth Davidson Party and the Lib Dems that want to sit back on their collective a***s raking in and cashing Westminster cheques. Not the SNP ?

Do you really, really not understand this yet cogito ? Wow.... :eek: