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Apple iPhone - Error 53 - Device Bricked
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Not strictly true, the TouchID sensor and CPU/Logic board are paired together, it's not just simply "a sensor" - it's a sensor that is uniquely paired with the CPU and can't just be haphazardly replaced at will (as what has happened to all these people now with bricked iPhones).
That's still a very long way from it being anything special or holding any information that could compromise the device security.
The phone still needs the right input from the sensor to match the details stored on the phone to unlock, so an uncalibrated/unpaired unit would simply supply details that the phone would always reject. It would not let you get into the phone by fooling it.
There is no reason for the update to brick the device, in terms of security risks.
It's very poor design to build a security feature in that totally kilss the device because of any form of tampering or repair.
It's unacceptable design and decision making to implement it in such a way that it kicks in after months/years without very explicit warnings to the user.
I'm looking at security systems around the house/business and a lot of those have anti tampering/individual parts authenticating with each other, and none of them would simply die because you changed a part, they'd at worst refuse to work with the part and issue a warning that the sensor/camera etc had been tampered with or was not secure.0 -
There is no reason for the update to brick the device, in terms of security risks.
It's very poor design to build a security feature in that totally kilss the device because of any form of tampering or repair.
It's unacceptable design and decision making to implement it in such a way that it kicks in after months/years without very explicit warnings to the user
It doesn't "brick the device" entirely though - if the original Touch ID sensor is re-fitted the device will boot correctly. I don't disagree entirely with what you're saying, but I'm mealy suggesting that all of this can be avoided if you have an official repair carried out.
The fact that the device will boot correctly once the original sensor is re-fitted suggests to me that there is some sort of validation check preformed during an update/restore which fails if the sensor and CPU are mismatched.
The OP made the case that many people will not get a repair carried out officially as it's too expensive - but a case has already been made that the £80 quid fee isn't really unreasonable considering it protects you from issues like this down the line.
There have been numerous posts stretching back to the 5s regarding devices failing to boot after an update/restore after having replaced the TouchID sensor - this isn't exactly anything new, which is why I find it hard to believe Apple have done this on purpose just to spite people.0 -
It doesn't "brick the device" entirely though - if the original Touch ID sensor is re-fitted the device will boot correctly. I don't disagree entirely with what you're saying, but I'm mealy suggesting that all of this can be avoided if you have an official repair carried out.
The fact that the device will boot correctly once the original sensor is re-fitted suggests to me that there is some sort of validation check preformed during an update/restore which fails if the sensor and CPU are mismatched.
The OP made the case that many people will not get a repair carried out officially as it's too expensive - but a case has already been made that the £80 quid fee isn't really unreasonable considering it protects you from issues like this down the line.
There have been numerous posts stretching back to the 5s regarding devices failing to boot after an update/restore after having replaced the TouchID sensor - this isn't exactly anything new, which is why I find it hard to believe Apple have done this on purpose just to spite people.
But its not £80. You seem to be quoting the price of a screen repair if you have purchased Apple Care. Apple to not repair devices with a faulty TouchID/Home button. The only option if out of warranty is to purchase a reconditioned device which is £250+
Apple shouldnt brick someones device just because a 3rd party repair was carried out.0 -
powerful_Rogue wrote: »But its not £80. You seem to be quoting the price of a screen repair if you have purchased Apple Care. Apple to not repair devices with a faulty TouchID/Home button. The only option if out of warranty is to purchase a reconditioned device which is £250+
Apple shouldnt brick someones device just because a 3rd party repair was carried out.
I mean in the first place £86 to have a broken screen replaced via Apple vs a cheap repair "saving" a few quid and ending up in a situation like this.
The price quoted is not for AppleCare, it's £86 for a screen replacement out of warranty.
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I mean in the first place £86 to have a broken screen replaced via Apple vs a cheap repair "saving" a few quid and ending up in a situation like this.
The price quoted is not for AppleCare, it's £86 for a screen replacement out of warranty.
But this has got nothing to do with the screen so not sure what the point you're trying to make is.0 -
Surely there's a simple question to ask: did the customer agree at the time of purchase that Apple could make the phone unusuable if the customer undertook 'unauthorised' repairs?0
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Surely there's a simple question to ask: did the customer agree at the time of purchase that Apple could make the phone unusuable if the customer undertook 'unauthorised' repairs?
Standard T&Cs regarding 3rd party parts. Warranty invalid if damage caused by them. Nothing mentioning Apple have the right to make your device unusable.0 -
powerful_Rogue wrote: »But this has got nothing to do with the screen so not sure what the point you're trying to make is.
My apologies, I thought your OP said broken screen, not broken home button - hence why I was referring to screen replacement costs etc...0 -
My apologies, I thought your OP said broken screen, not broken home button - hence why I was referring to screen replacement costs etc...
Your inability to tell the difference between home button/phone screen and the fact that you wrote "mealy" instead of, I presume, "merely" has utterly destroyed your credibility in this thread IMO.0 -
Well it certainly made a mockery of the abuse he threw my way. :rotfl:Bobcrowther wrote: »Your inability to tell the difference between home button/phone screen and the fact that you wrote "mealy" instead of, I presume, "merely" has utterly destroyed your credibility in this thread IMO.
I.e. post #110
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