Nice People Thread No. 15, a Cyber Summer

Doozergirl

michaels wrote: »

There is definitely an any one but boris movement out there.

I have also come across a lot of the boris = trump plus a thesaurus opinion. Personally I just see it as an act and don't think he is dangerous but find it interesting that others do. What do NP feel about our likely next PM?

I completely agree with you. He's nothing like Trump!

I'm not sure what the problem is. Maybe there's a fear that he would actually be quite popular? He managed a second term in London and that's an awful lot of voters to please.

PasturesNew

IMHO the trouble with B is ... he's farquin weird.

When you're supposed to be in authority, you should look/behave like an authority. Somebody that commands respect from the minute you enter a room ... he looks and behaves like the first of the dancing clowns....

He's like an ADHD kid in a fat bloke's body .... a fat bloke that's lost his grooming kit en-route.

Spirit_2

michaels wrote: »

There is definitely an any one but boris movement out there.

I have also come across a lot of the boris = trump plus a thesaurus opinion. Personally I just see it as an act and don't think he is dangerous but find it interesting that others do. What do NP feel about our likely next PM?

Clever, focused, manipulative. I think him charismatic and a populist. An egocentric player, visionary in pursuit of his personal place in history.

The tape playing in his head is scripted like this:

Front leave campaign.
increase popular profile across political divide.
In event of Brexit, replace Cameron.
As pm negotiate exit terms/issues with EU
hold second referendum on "new improved EU terms for staying in"
Advocate stayng in.
Heroically saves UK from Eu exit sliding economic and political position.
Firefighting the problem he creates.

Continues to dress/behave in Just William kind of way.

Until this campaign I had liked him, still think he has great leadership qualities coupled with dysfunctional effects of being a legend in his own mind.

zagubov

Wheezy wrote: »

Kittens are boring, westies rule!

Very true. Are cat treats safe for dogs? They're cheaper and my dog loves them (and this is MSE).;)

silvercar

GDB2222 wrote: »

Thanks a lot. I tried to sign the petition but it's not working. Edit- it did work eventually. The site seems v slow. There are 1.5m signatures.

Having had the referendum, we should negotiate to leave and then have a second referendum once we know what the terms are. That's why the first debate was so acrimonious. Nobody knows what we were really voting for.

I'm unfortunately looking rather seriously at this:
http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/05__Legal/02__Directory__Services/02__Citizenship/__Restored.html

A friend of mine got a EU passport and therefore residency in the UK as a result of that.

Ironic that those who would have been persecuted 70 years ago are seeking out german nationality.

zagubov

Spirit wrote: »

Clever, focused, manipulative. I think him charismatic and a populist. An egocentric player, visionary in pursuit of his personal place in history.

The tape playing in his head is scripted like this:

Front leave campaign.
increase popular profile across political divide.
In event of Brexit, replace Cameron.
As pm negotiate exit terms/issues with EU
hold second referendum on "new improved EU terms for staying in"
Advocate stayng in.
Heroically saves UK from Eu exit sliding economic and political position.
Firefighting the problem he creates.

Continues to dress/behave in Just William kind of way.

Until this campaign I had liked him, still think he has great leadership qualities coupled with dysfunctional effects of being a legend in his own mind.

Nailed it. :T

Like Dave Cameron he's entered the Tory Party as Stage Three of Britain's multigenerational procedure for extracting whatever modest amounts of usefulness we can salvage from the products of this country's Hyperconfident Psychopath Breeding Programme where stage one is a "Public school" and stage two is "Oxbridge".

Spirit, I had an Irish grandpa. Can I ask, what are the pitfalls/catches (if any) of having dual nationality with an Irish passport?

SingleSue

Doozergirl wrote: »

!!!! for brains. Please delete him.

He is not one of my contacts, he was posting on someone else who I am friends with, wall.

SingleSue

Spirit wrote: »

I am entitled to Irish citizenship, will seriously consider if we want to do this.

I would be entitled to a Scottish passport if they split off as my dad is Scottish. We would also apparently possibly be entitled to an Irish one too due to my paternal grandad (they certainly accepted my dad when he was over there as someone who had Irish roots for official purposes)

It upset my mum when we were talking about it today, she sees it as not having pride in the country and couldn't quite understand how important freedom of movement was to the boys and kept saying that a restriction would not apply when we do leave, that they wouldn't do that.

zagubov

SingleSue wrote: »

It upset my mum when we were talking about it today, she sees it as not having pride in the country and couldn't quite understand how important freedom of movement was to the boys and kept saying that a restriction would not apply when we do leave, that they wouldn't do that.

Back in the 80s there was a time when you couldn't renew passports (because of budget cuts/short staffing/I forget). I wanted to travel across Europe with an expired passport and I was nervous because some countries were very fussy. I had to change planes in Czechoslovakia and travel through Yugoslavia about which I knew nothing except they had a different political system and were excessively bureaucratic. It turned out it didn't matter.

My fiancee worked with a lot of Yugoslavians and they had the best passports in the world. They could travel in and out of most western and eastern countries without visas which was a bit of an achievement in the Cold war era. There were loads of countries we needed visas for. I had to get a US visa so I could travel there while my fiancee worked there. Many people had to have two passports in case they ever visited South Africa/ Israel/Taiwan. You'd have a separate one for visiting non-Western countries.

Scandinavian ones are supposed to be the best ones now. The uK one was nearly as good but we'll see how that holds.

Generali

PasturesNew wrote: »

In the olden days people'd have been quietly annoyed at the result, then got on with their lives. Most will have barely mentioned it to anybody.

24/7 wall to wall media and TV coverage, interviews, Facebook, Twitter, people "drumming up support" and trouble .... means that some won't let it go. They need to learn that having a gazillion "likes" from your friends/neighbours on Facebook actually counts for diddly squat when you had your chance and didn't get what you wanted.

No they wouldn't. This is probably the most important decision the UK has made since 1939 and they got it wrong. People will be discussing the ramifications for decades.