E.ON Energy Fixed 1Year V19 End date.

macman

Because of regional price variations.

Storminmike1

gt94sss2 wrote: »

Yes, some of the posts have been quite amusing

This is probably not a good comparison but the extension of v.19 reminded me of a condemned prisoner filing appeal after after appeal with the deadline being put back so many times..

There are two other collective tariffs that I know of going live in the next week.


Ofgem rules have changed so you now need to sign up with these organisations before the prices are announced - so I don't think you can apply for the first one now.

I have two separate suppliers - as I find that cheaper than a dual fuel deal..

Thanks for explaining

Storminmike1

macman wrote: »

Because of regional price variations.

This never makes sense.

There's not much difference in infrastructure between gas and electricity. In fact I'd argue that gas is harder to distribute.

The whole point of a national grid is just that....a grid of which out of electric gas and water the electric is easier to push around. So where does the regional variation come from.....the local distributor margins or as a consequence of costing more the further away from France?

phillw

Storminmike1 wrote: »

So where does the regional variation come from.....the local distributor margins or as a consequence of costing more the further away from France?

http://www.torse.co.uk/electricity-regional-price-variation/

Storminmike1

That seems to confirm my suspicion that distance is a key component in the pricing and that the nearer you are to Kent the better the price.

practical logistics of ‘shipping’ it to you. These costs are the responsibility of the National Grid Company and apply equally whichever Supplier you choose. [Whether they add a margin to these costs is another matter.

Although understandable this if far from equitable

Edit...sorry ...OT

phillw

Storminmike1 wrote: »

Although understandable this if far from equitable

There is an attempt to help Scotland out.

http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Industry-information/System-charges/Electricity-transmission/Assistance-for-areas-with-high-distribution-costs/

However as to whether it's fair or not, if it costs more to provide a service in a certain area than any other then isn't it up to the person who receives that service to pay? I don't see anyone from the north of England offering to help pay the high rent of people living in London.

Storminmike1

phillw wrote: »

There is an attempt to help Scotland out.

http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Industry-information/System-charges/Electricity-transmission/Assistance-for-areas-with-high-distribution-costs/

However as to whether it's fair or not, if it costs more to provide a service in a certain area than any other then isn't it up to the person who receives that service to pay? I don't see anyone from the north of England offering to help pay the high rent of people living in London.

Now that's a whole different story and one that would no doubt spiral. I have no choice in the closure of northern coal fired power stations with their "local" input into the grid.and the "national grid" being a more south to north (if that's what the costs reflect) cost to serve model. The post office doesn't discriminate on distance so why if we as consumers have no choice as to where we access our national power grid be penalised on that component? Average it out I say. It's not as if the north runs on bellwire....we have...or had local 4*500 Mw coal power plants on the doorstep at Fiddlers Ferry and on the Soar in the Midlands...but they're being phased out

phillw

Storminmike1 wrote: »

The post office doesn't discriminate on distance so why if we as consumers have no choice as to where we access our national power grid be penalised on that component? Average it out I say.

You have as much choice where you access the national grid as people paying exorbitant rent in London. Are you really only suggesting averaging out things that benefit you? How is that fair? Bring back the poll tax I say.

I suspect the universal service obligation to disappear eventually as Royal mail won't be able to afford to stay in business while it's competitors are allowed to pick and choose.

Storminmike1

phillw wrote: »

Are you really only suggesting averaging out things that benefit you?

Absolutely not....if something is described as National then that's what it is. Network Rail is National while I don't dispute that TOCs that run on the rails are not but then again they're subject to rolling stock from national lease pools...except for TFL that is where everything is new, not pool hand me downs and has 3 extra zeros

Whippet power...it's the future:money:

.Very OT....drawing a line under this if you don't mind

Pincher

Thirty years ago, there used to be charity events, like cycling round Jordan, climb Mount Kilimonjaro etc.


Looking at the small print, it's run by tour operators like Thomson, and all that's happening is they are deducting the cost of a holiday from the money raised, and the rest can go to whatever you want it to go to. So, if you wanted to go on holiday for £1,400 , you go round telling friends to sign up and pledge say £1,600, and your holiday is paid for. The surplus £200 can go to anything charitable, who cares. Somebody whom I refused treated me like her worst enemy after I said no. Makes you realise how dangerous it is to refuse a £500 a plate invitation, from somebody actually powerful.


I thought this cynical exploitation of the charitable instinct by greedy selfish people are obvious. Now that the scam is finally squirted like a squeezed zit, the reaction is to use the backlash to make people do the opposite. There are two tariffs from Scottish Power, both two year fix to January 2018. The really cheap one is actually Help Beat Cancer, whereas the non-charity one is booby-trapped with a built-in maintenance contract, so is hundreds more. Are they counting on the conditioned reflex, that the charity version is the con, and choose the non-charity one?