If we vote for Brexit what happens

Masomnia

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's my belief that a status similar to these two nations, perhaps operating in conjunction with the two would be beneficial not only to us, to Norway and Switzerland, but to the EU also.

Possibly at the expense of freedom of movement, but ultimately beneficial for all concerned.

FWIW I agree with you.

I think that kind of arrangement based on trade rather than political union is in the interests of both sides. We saw yesterday Juncker wishing to press ahead with common defence, because it's clear that we're holding back the project. Much better for the EU and for us that we take a step back and come up with a settlement that fits both sides.

vivatifosi

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's my belief that a status similar to these two nations, perhaps operating in conjunction with the two would be beneficial not only to us, to Norway and Switzerland, but to the EU also.

Possibly at the expense of freedom of movement, but ultimately beneficial for all concerned.

I voted in, but this is my view too. I was not happy with the EU the way it was but felt that we would have been better trying to change it from the inside first.

What it looks like is that we'll have a beefed up EFTA/EEA with Norway, Switzerland, us... maybe Denmark and Sweden will join also at some point as they are non-Eurozone countries. So a single market, with a Eurozone-focused EU and the non-Euro nations alongside and within the trading bloc. It will be harder for the EU to call all of the shots if this bloc is able to get to a population mass of close to 100 million, particularly as with our leaving (and potentially others), their size will fall also.

I think the population issue will be partially solved by saying you can come here if you have a job, but you get absolutely no help from the state until you've paid in for a set period of time, say five years, except for reciprocal medical care.

I sincerely hope that we end up with a solution of this type, rather than going it alone.

vivatifosi

Masomnia wrote: »

FWIW I agree with you.

I think that kind of arrangement based on trade rather than political union is in the interests of both sides. We saw yesterday Juncker wishing to press ahead with common defence, because it's clear that we're holding back the project. Much better for the EU and for us that we take a step back and come up with a settlement that fits both sides.

I know that they represent different institutions, but it does surprise me how different what Juncker is saying is to what Tusk is saying.

TrickyTree83

vivatifosi wrote: »

I know that they represent different institutions, but it does surprise me how different what Juncker is saying is to what Tusk is saying.

Yes, Tusk for me would appear to be the person best placed to lead the EU into reform. Junker on the other hand appears to be the complete opposite.

Had the EU as a whole had a pragmatic attitude towards a 2-speed EU we'd probably still be staying in the EU. This bloody mindedness over their policies (which may well now change anyway) caused negotiations to go badly and result in Brexit.

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

The deal that you desperately hope for is not going to be done.
There will be no free movement of labour.
The government have made that position clear.

Exhibit A.

kabayiri

The government know there is a fine balancing act to be achieved.

A practical and workable deal with the EU vs sating public expectation from the referendum result.

Few can deny that the result showed clearly marked divisions between different parts of the UK.

Someone will spot the opportunity to make political capital from this disenchantment, and it won't be Labour. Corbyn has made it feel like a London party, in danger of losing its heartland votes.

Conrad

Todays (far from) Independent carries a piece suggesting Britain will be savaged by China's cheap goods tsunami, without the protective EU embrace, lol.


1) The UK has her own currency and as such can devalue, which is the perfect pressure valve required, something the disparate EU conglomeration finds a good deal harder to deploy, hence we end up with uncompetitive Med' states with far to high a currency, very vulnerable to cheap competition

2) Free of Customs Union and SM restrictions we can develop new alliances that will allow us to for example import cheaper car electronics from Asia, thus benefiting our car industry


The qualities required going forward are autonomy and agile responsiveness, not great lumbering squabbling federations.


Remainers are transfixed by population size alone, lol

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Todays (far from) Independent carries a piece suggesting Britain will be savaged by China's cheap goods tsunami, without the protective EU embrace, lol.


1) The UK has her own currency and as such can devalue, which is the perfect pressure valve required, something the disparate EU conglomeration finds a good deal harder to deploy, hence we end up with uncompetitive Med' states with far to high a currency, very vulnerable to cheap competition

2) Free of Customs Union and SM restrictions we can develop new alliances that will allow us to for example import cheaper car electronics from Asia, thus benefiting our car industry


The qualities required going forward are autonomy and agile responsiveness, not great lumbering squabbling federations.


Remainers are transfixed by population size alone, lol

You make us sound like Singapore....You have all these dreams about how we can become entrepreuners and wheelers and dealers etc. You probably work in an office don't you:rotfl:!

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

You make us sound like Singapore....You have all these dreams about how we can become entrepreuners and wheelers and dealers etc. You probably work in an office don't you:rotfl:!

We are supreme wheeler dealers, just wait and see where we now take The Commonwealth that sits in China's backyard.


Your view of the UK is bound up with fear, impotence, ignorance, hysterics and a lack of imagination, and your kin will look very silly indeed quite soon.


How many fewer wine bottles would the French like to sell us do you think?


How would a hampering of trade and extended uncertainty aid the recovery in the EU?


Who will foot the bill and develop the infrastructure and training if we largely withdraw our military projection, and revert merely to NATO minimum requirements (News night on Tuesday showed we go way beyond minimum commitments)?

buglawton

Moby wrote: »

You make us sound like Singapore....You have all these dreams about how we can become entrepreuners and wheelers and dealers etc. You probably work in an office don't you:rotfl:!

London is Singapore, the UK has vastly more potential than Singapore.