If we vote for Brexit what happens

Crashy_Time

MobileSaver wrote: »

Can you provide any evidence of this or just another made up statement from you? All the articles you have linked to recently seem to be saying there's a shortage of properties coming on to the market which would appear to contradict the notion of retired people being unable to sell...

So people are not unable/unwilling to sell, but there is a shortage of properties coming on to the market, is that what you are saying?

Crashy_Time

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/comment/article-3789600/SIMON-LAMBERT-Low-rates-pushing-homes-reach.html

Rinoa

wotsthat wrote: »

Looks like great news. Good on Honda, they were planning on doing this already, when trade arrangements were known, so to do it now is brave given the uncertainty.

Of course most of the cost is already sunk so they may as well stump up £200m and try and make it work rather than walk away from the £2bn they've already spent. It'll be interesting over time to see how much money gets invested in new facilities rather than sweating existing assets.

They probably also took on board the EU's reputation of the world's most difficult trading block to do business with. The UK will probably do deals with many countries well before the EU does, if indeed it ever makes another trade deal.

Imagine a scenario where the UK isn't in the single market but has negotiated trade terms with the EU better that WTO and also has trade deals with North America, the Commonwealth and many other countries round the world. Where are you going to build your factories?

kabayiri

Rinoa wrote: »

They probably also took on board the EU's reputation of the world's most difficult trading block to do business with. The UK will probably do deals with many countries well before the EU does, if indeed it ever makes another trade deal.
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There is a lot of socialism within the EU countries.

Protectionism becomes second nature to these types.

Ask Digby Jones how easy it is in practise to buy into French companies and business. He was pretty damning in his assessment.

The UK is one of the most open economies. We are not a natural fit with the way the EU is heading.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

P.S. - IMHO the Japanese are only saying what the EU have asked them to say.

What makes you think that? The Japanese statement makes perfect sense from a POV - they've set up billions of Yen of industry in a gateway to a larger market, and warning said gateway that if it closes they'll move to the other side and bypass it.

They won't give up billions of Yen in profit because we don't like foreigners stealing our jobs and benefits simultaneously.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Every racist voted leave was the claim.

Racists being more likely to vote leave is a completely different statement.

The reason to play the devils advocate role is to make people aware that statements such as "All racists voted to leave the EU" is incorrect. There is no evidence to show a quantifiable amount of people classified and recognised as racists as a whole (100% of them) voted to leave the EU. There is no identifiable cohort of people in the UK recognised as racists.

It's just easy mud to sling.

I'm not defending racism, clearly, I'm just pointing out the lack of veracity in such claims.

If a census was taken and everyone was 100% truthful on the census about being a racist, and those people were then 100% truthful on the way they voted in the EU referendum, then you may be able to claim 'Every racist voted to leave the EU' and by association demean the people who voted to leave the EU who are not racist by suggesting they keep bad company.

You'd make a great politician. A lot of words saying nothing much.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I just can't be bothered to be your personal researcher, that's all. Did you not ask yourself before casting your vote why these two countries, outside the EU but trading freely with the single market enjoy far greater economic success per person than the UK?

So now that there is political consensus in the UK to not be in the EU do you not think we should aim to adopt a similar position to these two countries?

I can't speak for Kohoutek but in answer to your question, yes, we should be trying to get a deal similar to those countries. Which means access to the single market and freedom of movement. But also free some bendy bananas and weak vacuum cleaners.

If we believe some of the arguments of brexiters, this would be ideal, we'd have control back.

However, I think you'll find that you'll struggle to find an ally on this forum for such a deal. Even Conrad, of the great British Tiger Economy, has admitted that it's all about immigration really.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

I can't speak for Kohoutek but in answer to your question, yes, we should be trying to get a deal similar to those countries. Which means access to the single market and freedom of movement. But also free some bendy bananas and weak vacuum cleaners.

If we believe some of the arguments of brexiters, this would be ideal, we'd have control back.

However, I think you'll find that you'll struggle to find an ally on this forum for such a deal. Even Conrad, of the great British Tiger Economy, has admitted that it's all about immigration really.

It's my belief that a status similar to these two nations, perhaps operating in conjunction with the two would be beneficial not only to us, to Norway and Switzerland, but to the EU also.

Possibly at the expense of freedom of movement, but ultimately beneficial for all concerned.

mrginge

kabayiri wrote: »

There is a lot of socialism within the EU countries.

Protectionism becomes second nature to these types.

Ask Digby Jones how easy it is in practise to buy into French companies and business. He was pretty damning in his assessment.

The UK is one of the most open economies. We are not a natural fit with the way the EU is heading.

this is very true.
I alluded to this point the other day when told that we *only* get foreign investment here because we are in the single market.
The SM junkie doom-merchants forget that even though potential 10% tariff is an extra cost to bear, when you package it up with all the other costs and benefits of operating out of the U.K. compared to up-sticks to the EU, then the decision isn't quite as open and shut as they are desperately hoping it will be.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

I can't speak for Kohoutek but in answer to your question, yes, we should be trying to get a deal similar to those countries. Which means access to the single market and freedom of movement. But also free some bendy bananas and weak vacuum cleaners.

If we believe some of the arguments of brexiters, this would be ideal, we'd have control back.

However, I think you'll find that you'll struggle to find an ally on this forum for such a deal. Even Conrad, of the great British Tiger Economy, has admitted that it's all about immigration really.

The deal that you desperately hope for is not going to be done.
There will be no free movement of labour.
The government have made that position clear.