If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

Tammykitty wrote: »

Are you seriously happy (Using the clapping emoji) that Brexit has caused this - because it makes you justified in voting remain?


You should not be happy that your country is suffering economically regardless of your position on the EU!


No one

Yes I am.
Not because of any 'I told you so' justifications post vote, but because I firmly believe a drastic deterioration of our economy in the coming months will force the May government to think twice about a hard brexit.
Short pain now to secure a good deal with our European friends - including the '4 freedoms'.
Of course I don't want my country to suffer in the long term. That's why I voted Remain.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

Doing the right thing because it's the right thing should take precedence.

Neither the UK or EU should be using human shields.

It would be doing a dis-service to the UK residents in the EU by not working to secure their rights in the EU while unilaterally guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in the UK.

It appears both parties in the negotiations want this to happen, so it's more than likely going to. Crying about it isn't going to help you, them or make the PM or the EU guarantee the rights of these people unilaterally. It'll need to take place as part of the article 50 negotiations. Because up until that point - nothing is changing.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It would be doing a dis-service to the UK residents in the EU by not working to secure their rights in the EU while unilaterally guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in the UK.

It appears both parties in the negotiations want this to happen, so it's more than likely going to. Crying about it isn't going to help you, them or make the PM or the EU guarantee the rights of these people unilaterally. It'll need to take place as part of the article 50 negotiations. Because up until that point - nothing is changing.

I really don't see why it needs to be part of the negotiations. It's not a prisoner exchange.

mayonnaise

wotsthat wrote: »

Doing the right thing because it's the right thing should take precedence.

Neither the UK or EU should be using human shields.

Pre-referendum, the likes of Boris, Gove, Leadsom and yes....even Farage said that the status of every European already living here would not change.
For May to use EU nationals as bargaining chips is beyond distasteful.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

I really don't see why it needs to be part of the negotiations. It's not a prisoner exchange.

There are implications around welfare payments, healthcare, movement rights, and probably many more issues that need to be addressed. It needs to be negotiated.

I would think Spain would want to negotiate the healthcare issue. They've a load of UK geriatrics to look after.

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

Pre-referendum, the likes of Boris, Gove, Leadsom and yes....even Farage said that the status of every European already living here would not change.
For May to use EU nationals as bargaining chips is beyond distasteful.

Dear god...

Nothing has changed. Get off that leftist megaphone for a second and look at the situation for what it is. The EU hasn't guaranteed rights, neither have the UK, because at the moment there is nothing to guarantee. Nothing has changed and for the time being nothing is changing. The moment we invoke article 50 and change will happen is the moment when these issues will be resolved and not before.

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Dear god...

Nothing has changed. Get off that leftist megaphone for a second and look at the situation for what it is. The EU hasn't guaranteed rights, neither have the UK, because at the moment there is nothing to guarantee. Nothing has changed and for the time being nothing is changing. The moment we invoke article 50 and change will happen is the moment when these issues will be resolved and not before.

Why can't May just make a statement saying the status of every European already living here would not change?
It would go a long way to counter the 'send them all home' brigade, don't you think?
What's stopping her? Has the EU threatened with the expulsion of UK expats? As wotsthat says, why does it even need to be part of negotiations?
Or why does it need to be timed around Article 50?

ukcarper

Crashy_Time wrote: »

So no change to sentiment around property then, interesting perspective.

I think prices might fall but I don't think prices will fall anywhere nears as much as you do. I'm sure in the past when you have predicted a crash you though you had good evidence but they didn't crash.

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

Why can't May just make a statement saying the status of every European already living here would not change?
It would go a long way to counter the 'send them all home' brigade, don't you think?
What's stopping her? Has the EU threatened with the expulsion of UK expats? As wotsthat says, why does it even need to be part of negotiations?
Or why does it need to be timed around Article 50?

Do you seriously not understand why it needs be to after article 50?

We're still in the EU. Nothing has changed. Until we invoke article 50, nothing will change, ever. Full stop. So if it transpires that we don't invoke it there would be no point in saying it would there? So far she's said that she would like to guarantee the rights of these people in the UK. That's pretty much as far as she can go because it's all if's and but's right now.

The 'send them home' brigade has been saying the same thing for years before the vote and they've been saying the same thing since the vote. They've become more brazen and they'll - I hope - be prosecuted for it.

Imagine you've drawn the process out using logic gates. A series of events and actions that lead on to other events and actions that take place in chronological and logical order.

You're the PM and you guarantee the status of these people after we leave the EU unilaterally before we invoke article 50. Events take a turn and we never invoke article 50, so nothing ever happens and there is nothing to guarantee since nothing changes.

Alternatively if we do invoke article 50, if we're going to unilaterally guarantee their status, that would be the time to do it. However I believe that there is also an aim to guarantee the status of UK citizens too, which is not unreasonable.

lisyloo

So I'm an FTB looking at flats in North East London watching all this with interest, hoping that the nicer places we couldn't quite afford before will hover into attainability over the next 6 months.

Interesting anecdote.
So lets' say you confidently discover prices are falling in your area after your local research.
Will you buy when you can afford the house you want, or as they are falling will you wait a bit longer?
I'm interested in the psycology. Depends on circs of course and if anything you love comes up but logic says you should wait if prices are falling.