If we vote for Brexit what happens

ukcarper

Crashy_Time wrote: »

What is the average wage where you live?

Not sure I would have thought about £35k to £40k for full time male not sure what that's got to do with it.

buglawton

Conrad wrote: »

I've given a list of our key exports over and again, can't you do your own thinking guys?

I thought you Bremains dealt in facts?

We have the worlds second largest satellite sector, massive aerospace players, music, media, concerts, film,silicon chips, medicine, F1, Football, consultancy, carbon fibre, gaming, the list is endless, and then there's the financial services, insurance, law contracts rendered in London etc etc

You forgot to mention education and tourism.

buglawton

lisyloo wrote: »

So you've side stepped the question then.
What will we be selling them then?
Mud huts? Really cheap scooters? Really cheap phones? Mega cheap cars?

Taking you points one at a time:

No need to sell cheap scooters when we can sell Singaporeans really expensive Brompton bicycles.

Cheap phones? No need when the majority of smartphones the world over contain a British-licensed ARM chip.

And while the French car brands sell Romanian-built Dusters, we sell real British built BMW Minis or highly profitable Range rovers - all over the world. Both have a British design heritage.

Spidernick

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I don't think Brussels was (is?) Amazing and there are many floors with the EU but better to be in the club changing and influencing than not

Perhaps we could sweep them under the carpet!

economic

ukcarper wrote: »

Not sure I would have thought about £35k to £40k for full time male not sure what that's got to do with it.

exactly what difference does average wage make? crashy is silly.

Conrad

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I don't think Brussels was (is?) Amazing and there are many floors with the EU but better to be in the club changing and influencing than not

My main issue with your assertion about seats at very table is this is great for security and global issues like climate etc but companies do business with other companies and it is this trade that increases our wealth - I ask again what uk trade is currently being hampered by an EU deal that our companies have been lobbying to resolve?

Are there tariffs on selling insurance and legal services in India and China which we can now (or in the future) circumvent that will allow uk companies to make more profit than currently?

In short we do need old men in Brussels to look after our trade arrangements , we can do far better looking after our own needs

Singapore has arranged more valuable deals than the entire eu

Escape the cult, honestly well be fine

cashbackproblems

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Well there has never been a property bubble like this, especially in London, so it is likely that people are more stretched than in previous decades? My bet is that large numbers of people around the UK have stretched themselves financially to get into the property bubble, and are now probably quite concerned.

I agree, i am seeing in my area of london the top has been reached for 2 bed flats nothing being priced at 400k nothing is selling, even 350k post brexit things are staying unsold

An average wage of 35k in London (taking out banking which only makes up a small number of jobs) gives you 100-150k max, 250-300k with a partner on similar/lower salary.

I think the smart sellers are those selling now at the current market price/below (taking into account people are driving down prices due to lower confidence), those who are looking to move asap but "waiting" are simply watching a slow falling market which will fall over the next 2 years and they sell even lower.

cashbackproblems

Conrad wrote: »

I've given a list of our key exports over and again, can't you do your own thinking guys?

I thought you Bremains dealt in facts?

We have the worlds second largest satellite sector, massive aerospace players, music, media, concerts, film,silicon chips, medicine, F1, Football, consultancy, carbon fibre, gaming, the list is endless, and then there's the financial services, insurance, law contracts rendered in London etc etc

+1

People saying distance is a factor really know nothing about international trade and how relatively easily and cheaply goods are currently being exported beyond Europe. Japan do almost half their exports to the US and south America for example. Plus the UK is now predominantly service based economy, we export services, financial products and technologies, not cars or heavy consumer goods

My parents have a factory in Cambodia and export to UK, Canada and Australia. They tried operating it in the UK and exporting to the EU but there is too much red tape, high costs and protectionism

lisyloo

buglawton wrote: »

Taking you points one at a time:

No need to sell cheap scooters when we can sell Singaporeans really expensive Brompton bicycles.

Cheap phones? No need when the majority of smartphones the world over contain a British-licensed ARM chip.

And while the French car brands sell Romanian-built Dusters, we sell real British built BMW Minis or highly profitable Range rovers - all over the world. Both have a British design heritage.

Well you've reinforced my point.
We are good at selling expensive quality products to rich people.
I'm sure there are some rich people in India, but the cast majority of the population are poor and coudn't afford a mini of a Brompton, more likely a Tata or very cheap Chinese scooter.

I take the point about chips, creative industries etc.
I would expect GKN to move some aerospace work to China.

lisyloo

People saying distance is a factor really know nothing about international trade and how relatively easily and cheaply goods are currently being exported beyond Europe

I think most of us know that shell fish go halfway round the world to be shelled and then come back again by container ship.

I read the point as some services will always be provided locally - like having your haircut for example. Currently there's no way to take your head off and ship it round the globe on a container ship, so dentists, opticians, haidressers will always need to be local.
I think the point was that there's lots of things that can't be outsourced.