If we vote for Brexit what happens

lisyloo

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you think the people of the world would peacefully accept such vast movements of people ?

You ain't seen nothing yet.
What do you think is going to happen when millions are displaced when large parts of Bangladesh go under water.
You might be right about it not being peaceful but we face much greater migration in future.

Mistermeaner

Conrad wrote: »

Establishment inertia.

Blair relied on establishment inertia to take us to war. As with the Leave campaign, it was outsiders and people at street level that could see the establishment narrative was floored. The stop the war coalition was dismissed by the establishment media complex, just as Brexit was

I see Sajid is over in India for trade talks and I fully expect a rapid show case deal being done with a population double that of the EUs and in rapid growth

The new global facing tiger Britain is a reality, change is part and parcel of innovation and the Human journey

Great. Another 100 something years of modernisation without them developing any internal capabilities and a significant increase in individual wealth and if India could be moved a few thousand miles.

Mistermeaner

Perhaps Conrad you could detail which products are currently being produced in the uk which trade tarriffs are currently preventing UK firms making a profit on in India

Conrad

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Perhaps Conrad you could detail which products are currently being produced in the uk which trade tarriffs are currently preventing UK firms making a profit on in India

The reason I focus on trade deals is because Bremains always suggest they are essential, for example the single market argument. My own stance is always to point out the three largest exporters into the EU have no trade deal

Damn another pesky fact

But given Bremain were obsessed with trade deals I like to point out we said all along that with our number one soft power status and deep global links and influence, trade deals will be a breeze

Remember the sickly sanctimony from the likes of Chukka saying in what world would India want a deal with a market of 60 million people when it can have one with the EU. Well India are in trade talks today.

As ever the fact free Bremains refused to understand the EU is dreadful at trade deals, WE CAN DO OUR OWN FAR BETTER

Conrad

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Great. Another 100 something years of modernisation without them developing any internal capabilities and a significant increase in individual wealth and if India could be moved a few thousand miles.

Ha your living in the past, geographic proximity is irrelevant in trade

Well do even more trade with the EU anyway given our soon to be lower corporate tax rates, nimble responsive global outlook and business freindly environment

Come India, come the Commonwealth right in China's strategic back yard. The leveredge is immense as I told you many times before. The EU will beg us for a slice of the action

lisyloo

So you've side stepped the question then.
What will we be selling them then?
Mud huts? Really cheap scooters? Really cheap phones? Mega cheap cars?

Samsonite1

cells wrote: »

I dont think it would be classed as racist at all. It would be primarily based on age as I think the age of the immigrant is probably the biggest factor in determining if they will be net contributors financially. Then on English language. Then on social similarities.

So a 20 year old with basic understanding of English and from India or Africa would be far in front of the line than a 55 year old American or Australian.

Age would unlikely be the main factor - age is not a skill and you are getting into serious discrimination territory. I understand your reasoning, but it would never pass the diplomacy test. Maybe they could come up with other criteria where younger people would succeed, but you certainly would not be allowed to use age itself as criteria.

Conrad

I've given a list of our key exports over and again, can't you do your own thinking guys?

I thought you Bremains dealt in facts?

We have the worlds second largest satellite sector, massive aerospace players, music, media, concerts, film,silicon chips, medicine, F1, Football, consultancy, carbon fibre, gaming, the list is endless, and then there's the financial services, insurance, law contracts rendered in London etc etc

Mistermeaner

Thanks lisy. What i was going to say - which products are we going to sell to india?

Which companies have been lobbying parliament to break down those darn trade barriers?

Oh and i work in part in international import / export - you are partially correct that distance doesn't matter per se but this generally applies for goods produced in low wage economies. Distance can be a huge factor in numerous industries where production and related services spring up near their markets.

Also geographically separated markets normally already have their own local producers - we're going to turn away from currently profitable local (EU ) trade to compete somewhere else are we? Or are we just going to do the same trade at a competitive disadvantage to companies located in the free trade area and hence have lower profits and or volumes.

Brexit will not expand our sphere of interaction it will shrink it

danothy

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you think the people of the world would peacefully accept such vast movements of people ?

I think that allowing everyone to move is distinct from everyone moving, population flows are a self equilibrating phenomenon. Even so, I think violence regarding population movement is only brought by people like you who are seeking to restrict other people's movement.