If we vote for Brexit what happens

Kohoutek

baza52 wrote: »

what do you expect me to say.

If years down the line you are correct I will say my decision was wrong to leave.
Your forgetting me and the majority voted leave in certain peoples eyes to stop immigration.
That in a racist eyes is still a win or the right vote as immigration will have reduced.

Is that simple enough for you.

Say for the sake of argument leaving the EU will not reduce immigration (e.g. if we remain in the single market with freedom of movement), would you have still voted leave?

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

And in any event, I am doubtful of the benefit of much of the inward 'investment' to our country: basically like a Blair/Brown PFI deal ; yes it gives us a financial boost today but, we and our chidren, pay for it for the next 50 years.

What do you mean we and our children pay for it?

lisyloo

Why is it a win?

Most likely scenario is we get a trade deal that involves free movement of people.
Another scenario is high immigration from the EU over the next 2 years.
Also ex pats coming home if they can't get health care paid for abroad.
Another scenario is that we need to recruit nurses etc. From outside the EU so immigration stays the same but is less EU but more non EU.

I'm not interested in personal spats but I'd like to point out that brexit does not automatically mean less immigration.

I do recognise some people voted on the democracy issue and other think it's worth the economic cost and I respect both those points of view even if I don't agree.

wotsthat

baza52 wrote: »

what do you expect me to say.

If years down the line you are correct I will say my decision was wrong to leave.
Your forgetting me and the majority voted leave in certain peoples eyes to stop immigration.
That in a racist eyes is still a win or the right vote as immigration will have reduced.

Is that simple enough for you.

Might be simpler if you didn't act as self appointed spokesperson for the majority of people who you seem to think are racists.

Or just, yes I think people being worse off financially is worth it if there are a few less foreigners.

I don't know of course but whilst I think immigration was the reason leave won (despite that not being the question asked) I'd like to think most people weren't so swivel eyed that they'd make themselves poorer because of it.

baza52

Kohoutek wrote: »

Say for the sake of argument leaving the EU will not reduce immigration (e.g. if we remain in the single market with freedom of movement), would you have still voted leave?

Yes I would 100% have still voted to leave.

Jason74

baza52 wrote: »

lets say your wrong and there is less losers than winners.
Have you thought about that?

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but as a remainer I will answer it anyway .Well to state the bleeding obvious, if there are more winners than losers and we are collectively better off as a result of Brexit, I will be delighted. I have to say I don't think that will be the case, and I honestly believe that this whole episode will go down as an example of how to screw up your own country that will be taught as a warning for decades.

But, we are where we are. I want the best for this (still wonderful if imho now diminished) country and all who live in it. Given that the direction of Brexit has now been chosen, I hope that my views are proven completely wrong and the decision proves a huge success. Funnily enough, I (and I suspect most) are more concerned about the success of our country than I am about whether I am proven right or wrong on an internet forum !

baza52

wotsthat wrote: »

Might be simpler if you didn't act as self appointed spokesperson for the majority of people who you seem to think are racists.

Or just, yes I think people being worse off financially is worth it if there are a few less foreigners.

I don't know of course but whilst I think immigration was the reason leave won (despite that not being the question asked) I'd like to think most people weren't so swivel eyed that they'd make themselves poorer because of it.

Just read back through this thread.
Its not me calling the majority of voters racist. I'm just saying what a few posters have accused us all of being.

Your trying to put words into my mouth now.
Where have I said people being worse off would be worth it for less immigration.
I happen to think we will not be worse off out of the EU. Less immigration is also a bonus as we are obviously overcrowded and services and the infrastructure of our island are suffering because of it.

If that makes a racist so be it.

baza52

Jason74 wrote: »

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but as a remainer I will answer it anyway .Well to state the bleeding obvious, if there are more winners than losers and we are collectively better off as a result of Brexit, I will be delighted. I have to say I don't think that will be the case, and I honestly believe that this whole episode will go down as an example of how to screw up your own country that will be taught as a warning for decades.

But, we are where we are. I want the best for this (still wonderful if imho now diminished) country and all who live in it. Given that the direction of Brexit has now been chosen, I hope that my views are proven completely wrong and the decision proves a huge success. Funnily enough, I (and I suspect most) are more concerned about the success of our country than I am about whether I am proven right or wrong on an internet forum !

Exactly.
I voted leave because I honestly believe it was the right decision to make for our country.
I also believe it will be proven to be the right decision in years to come.

We might be on the other side of the fence but my intentions were the same as yours when I put the cross in the box.

kilby_007

peter_we wrote: »

UK prices down 6% since Brixit. Central London -10%. Scotland and NI -15%

mortgageintroducer.com/property-value-falls-6-post-brexit/#.V31lyrgrJdg

That seems to be roughly in line with the reductions I'm seeing in my search area. Check these links with property bee, these are a few of the ones that have historical data but there are others that have had larger reductions. I'm seeing more reductions than new listings at the moment:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-40742868.html

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-54133789.html

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-41198475.html

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-40408206.html

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-59511689.html

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-36490494.html

Jason74

baza52 wrote: »

Exactly.
I voted leave because I honestly believe it was the right decision to make for our country.
I also believe it will be proven to be the right decision in years to come.

We might be on the other side of the fence but my intentions were the same as yours when I put the cross in the box.

And that's fair enough, it's how democracy works after all and given my starting belief that most people essentially want to do the right thing I have no reason to think you did anything other than take an honest decision with the best intentions.

I suppose if I'm honest, I just really struggle with how anyone can with a clear head believe this is the right move. I get the idea of some people being frustrated with their lot to the point where they'll vote for change, any change in the desperate hope that things improve. I also get (albeit ultimately disagree with) the idea that the element of shared sovereignty inherent in something like the EU is so abhorrent that it's worth any price to be rid of it.

But when I look at the negatives of Brexit, they seem huge. There's the economic damage (and I don't think anyone can really argue that there will be a lot of that, at the very least in the short term), the loss of the ability to influence a huge international organisation on our doorstep that will impact us regardless, even how we are perceived internationally as a result of the decision. I just don't get how any perceived benefits of Brexit can be worth all that.

I don't say any of this to be confrontational. Given the decision is now made I really hope I'm wrong, and given that the majority of those who voted agreed with you, I'm clearly missing something. I'd genuinely really love to know what it is.