If we vote for Brexit what happens

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

I often find people who personally do well financially from something, tend to find moral reasons why that thing is 'good' for us all.

Noting the Kinnock dynasty has done very well financially out of the EU and that they are very pro-EU is perfectly proper : no different from saying a banker is in favour of banks.

YOU chose to apply the Kinnock phrase to the EU situation which you now seem to regret.

I regret nothing - what have you got out of people doing well by their own efforts.

baza52

cells wrote: »

you can bring up 10 children on no wage in this country. How easy was doing that 50 years ago?



what they mean is they were happiest in the 1970s when they were young and had a nice young family with children and health.

how patronising.
Your only 30 so you have no idea about life.
It was common for families to have a lot more kids than now and they worked hard often on 1 wage to support them.
What generation do you think bringing up kids for free made it possible?

Perhaps in years to come you will look back to this day and say what a great move brexit was.

Kohoutek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ISF_0aNG4

Ken Clarke: "I don't either Andrea Leadsom or Boris Johnson are actually in favour of leaving the European Union"

Malcolm Rifkind: “Well, I don’t think they even cared very much either way"

Samsonite1

baza52 wrote: »

how patronising.
Your only 30 so you have no idea about life.
It was common for families to have a lot more kids than now and they worked hard often on 1 wage to support them.
What generation do you think bringing up kids for free made it possible?

Perhaps in years to come you will look back to this day and say what a great move brexit was.

I think you are being a bit patronising there - people in their 30s don't know anything about life?

I find the arguments a bit off - my parents were 50s children - single wage, 4 kids, not much money. Life for us kids was fine though and now we are all doing quite well - this was all achieved while being in the EU though. My confusion (and I genuinely apologise for misunderstanding) is that while the generations mentioned were pre-EU kids, it seems that current generations of younger adults have a much better life. This seems to correspond with younger voters going for Remain. So it sounds like the parental generations are pro-Leave because they don't like the fact that their children have had an easier life being part of the EU?

Sorry, I am clearly very wrong but that seems to be what is being said!

Samsonite1

Kohoutek wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ISF_0aNG4

Ken Clarke: "I don't either Andrea Leadsom or Boris Johnson are actually in favour of leaving the European Union"

Malcolm Rifkind: “Well, I don’t think they even cared very much either way"

Those two are quite amusing. And the comments on Gove "he would start a war with at least 3 countries...".

baza52

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Well it really depends on what timescale doesn't it. Knife crime is definitely up since the invention of the knife, but down since 2010.

The onus of proof isn't on the reader of your nonsense though. That's your job.

What do I think caused it? Plenty of reasons, all different for each thing I'm sure.

When I say something I am able to back it up with FACTS.
So far I have not seen any FACTS to back up your claims.

Your not willing to say what you feel is the truth are you, you would rather skate around the questions sitting on the fence.

what do YOU think has caused the rise in knife crime, Sex crimes, waiting lists etc?

We are all grown ups here and free speech IS allowed.
What are you afraid of? being shown up perhaps

michaels

Kohoutek wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ISF_0aNG4

Ken Clarke: "I don't either Andrea Leadsom or Boris Johnson are actually in favour of leaving the European Union"

Malcolm Rifkind: “Well, I don’t think they even cared very much either way"

The old 'pretend you don't know the mic is live' trick - hasn't it been done to death yet?

baza52

Samsonite1 wrote: »

I think you are being a bit patronising there - people in their 30s don't know anything about life?

I find the arguments a bit off - my parents were 50s children - single wage, 4 kids, not much money. Life for us kids was fine though and now we are all doing quite well - this was all achieved while being in the EU though. My confusion (and I genuinely apologise for misunderstanding) is that while the generations mentioned were pre-EU kids, it seems that current generations of younger adults have a much better life. This seems to correspond with younger voters going for Remain. So it sounds like the parental generations are pro-Leave because they don't like the fact that their children have had an easier life being part of the EU?

Sorry, I am clearly very wrong but that seems to be what is being said!

the EU was founded back on November 1st 1993.
Sorry but your parents did not bring you up while being in the EU.

lisyloo

Samsonite1 wrote: »

it seems that current generations of younger adults have a much better life

In what way do you think it's better now?
We went to uni for fee, came out with no debts.
Walked into a good job with prospects - had a choice in fact.
We bought a 3 bed house for 2.3 times joint salary straight out of uni.

I guess healthcare is more advanced and travel is easier if you have money.

I wouldn't swap with today's young.

So it sounds like the parental generations are pro-Leave because they don't like the fact that their children have had an easier life being part of the EU?

How did you get to that conclusion?

Samsonite1

baza52 wrote: »

the EU was founded back on November 1st 1993.
Sorry but your parents did not bring you up while being in the EU.

And the EC before that? My secondary school education, university and entire career have been as a member of the EU. FACT as you like to shout in your posts. Smoke it.