If we vote for Brexit what happens

posh*spice

mwpt wrote: »

Yes. but there has never been a pension and welfare deficit as high as we have now. And choosing to hobble our economy and cut immigration directly means the young will pick up the higher cost of that burden and removes the rather nice benefits to them of having the ability to live and work anywhere in the EU that their predecessors had.

Apparently lower pensions and benefits was a price worth paying

ess0two

mwpt wrote: »

Yes. but there has never been a pension and welfare deficit as high as we have now. And choosing to hobble our economy and cut immigration directly means the young will pick up the higher cost of that burden and removes the rather nice benefits to them of having the ability to live and work anywhere in the EU that their predecessors had.

Good points...I'm expecting some sort of 'deal' on the whole affair, i just can't see the EU letting us leave.

ess0two

posh*spice wrote: »

Apparently lower pensions and benefits was a price worth paying

Its all hearsay and personal opinion, not fact.

Generali

ess0two wrote: »

The guy is so voiciferous over the deal, yet lives in Australia, really no need for him to worry.

Imagine someone having a point of view that extends past the end of their street. Shocking!

ess0two

Generali wrote: »

Imagine someone having a point of view that extends past the end of their street. Shocking!

Fair point,accept my apologies.

wotsthat

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Really?

Business as usual.

That's not business as usual.

Change is coming. You might not be equipped for it and it's obviously going to be a surprise when it happens. Good luck.

posh*spice

eraclea wrote: »

This makes for an interesting read, not sure if it was posted before.

"If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935

Good article. Only one problem the PM (who ever it is) can't trigger Article 50 - it requires a majority in the H of Commons. So even if the future PM is prepared to pull thr trigger there is no guarantee thst the rest of Parliament will back him/her.

posh*spice

wotsthat wrote: »

Change is coming. You might not be equipped for it and it's obviously going to be a surprise when it happens. Good luck.

That is your opinion. Evidence?

mwpt

posh*spice wrote: »

Good article. Only one problem the PM (who ever it is) can't trigger Article 50 - it requires a majority in the H of Commons.

Err, is this certain? Can you point to a reliable source?

BobQ

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Really?



Business as usual.

What else can they say? Business as usual is just a way of covering up the fact we are now realising that we are in a deep hole and not sure how we are going to get out of it.