If we vote for Brexit what happens

baza52

StevieJ wrote: »

I think if there was a vote tomorrow, remain would win. It seems that Remain have got their case over more successfully after the vote than before. They really were a useless bunch of Txxxxxx

Just keep telling yourself that.
No doubt you THOUGHT remain would win in the first place.

What next? If we don't like the winner of Wimbledon we start a petition to have the match re played?
If we lose in the Euros do we ask to re play with a different team.

This is getting So boring now.
I'm un subscribing from this thread,

PROUD TO BE BRITISH.:beer:

posh*spice

baza52 wrote: »

Just keep telling yourself that.
No doubt you THOUGHT remain would win in the first place.

What next? If we don't like the winner of Wimbledon we start a petition to have the match re played?
If we lose in the Euros do we ask to re play with a different team.

This is getting So boring now.
I'm un subscribing from this thread,

PROUD TO BE BRITISH.:beer:

See Ya 🙌🏻 🙌🏻🙌🏻

BobQ

baza52 wrote: »

What makes you think that IF there was another referendum that Remain would get 60% or more?
They didn't do it first time round and wont do it a second time.
Should we just have a referendum every week until remain win lol

Not what I said, personally I would not have referenda at all. This referendum exemplifies why: so many people use them as a way of protesting about something else.

Since you ask, I do not think that a second vote would be any difference at present. I was simply noting the rapid rate of signatures which is now 2.032m. Unless it gets above 10m I doubt the Goverment will take any notice.

I do think that if the EU made a material change in the rules on Freedom of Movement it would have an impact. Fat chance of that though.

Rinoa

posh*spice wrote: »

It's you who are dreaming. It hasn't happened and it's not going to. They are just trying to work out how to backtrack.

Yeah OK. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

posh*spice

Rinoa wrote: »

Yeah OK. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

So why do they need 4 months to invoke Aricle 50?

They are not going to leave. They just haven't worked out the excuses yet.

wymondham

BobQ wrote: »

Not what I said, personally I would not have referenda at all. This referendum exemplifies why: so many people use them as a way of protesting about something else.

Since you ask, I do not think that a second vote would be any difference at present. I was simply noting the rapid rate of signatures which is now 2.032m. Unless it gets above 10m I doubt the Goverment will take any notice.

I do think that if the EU made a material change in the rules on Freedom of Movement it would have an impact. Fat chance of that though.

The referendum came about as a cheap (and foolproof so he thought) election ploy to get voted in by DC, and it backfired. It was an opportunity for those who can see the wrongs of the EU a voice, which they would otherwise never have on this specific topic.

It's not surprising signatures are rising as Remain are venting their frustration - perfectly reasonable. It wont make a blind jot however as a the referendum was a perfect example of democracy - every vote counted and every eligible person could vote. Obviously not enough people were persuaded of the merits of the EU. I'm glad you mention the EU won't amend the Freedom of movement as this was one of the reasons why people voted out.

kabayiri

There is nothing wrong in a two phase commit process IMO.

1) You establish the will of the people

Then you negotiate with the EU and summarise the conclusions.

2) You put the deal to the public to decide

This isn't like buying a car. It's a really complicated value judgement, and unfortunately it's been boiled down to like choosing the Beef or Chicken dish.

I thought the Remain team were always accusing Leave that they didn't have a clear plan? Well, here's an opportunity to develop a plan.

It's also an incredibly good PR opportunity for the EU to show that it does listen to member states and can adapt and evolve. It won't be the only challenge. There is going to be some really difficult EU decision making in the near future regards refugees; common border policy; and Eurozone debts. It would be risky to force decisions on the European voters.

posh*spice

wymondham wrote: »

The referendum came about as a cheap (and foolproof so he thought) election ploy to get voted in by DC, and it backfired. It was an opportunity for those who can see the wrongs of the EU a voice, which they would otherwise never have on this specific topic.

It's not surprising signatures are rising as Remain are venting their frustration - perfectly reasonable. It wont make a blind jot however as a the referendum was a perfect example of democracy - every vote counted and every eligible person could vote. Obviously not enough people were persuaded of the merits of the EU. I'm glad you mention the EU won't amend the Freedom of movement as this was one of the reasons why people voted out.

Boris Johnson always wanted a second referendum - he never wanted to leave the EU.

The referendum isnt legally binding on MPs.

Until Article 50 is invoked you don't actually know for a fact that we will leave. You are just assuming.

mwpt

Conrad wrote: »

If the EU made none of our laws as implied by your statement, then you won't be missing anything? We will cut a trade deal and go into the world a proud Independant nation

Why are you joining the liars? Where did I say the EU made none of our laws?

Stop the lies.

Sapphire

BobQ wrote: »

Not what I said, personally I would not have referenda at all. This referendum exemplifies why: so many people use them as a way of protesting about something else.

Since you ask, I do not think that a second vote would be any difference at present. I was simply noting the rapid rate of signatures which is now 2.032m. Unless it gets above 10m I doubt the Goverment will take any notice.

I do think that if the EU made a material change in the rules on Freedom of Movement it would have an impact. Fat chance of that though.

I agree with you on this. It amazes me that the EU is so intransigent, when the result of a relatively affluent country leaving the organisation has so many negative consequences to the EU. It is surely common sense that there has to be control of migration from poorer countries to wealthier ones when the economic consequences to resident populations is economically so grave. I think this has been demonstrated by the way the Leave vote was spread around the country. It is noticeable that those in affluent areas of London voted to remain (the more affluent, the higher the remain vote), but elsewhere in the country the voting practically everywhere had majorities for Leave (apart from in Scotland, where the vote is connected with the SNP and its usual calls for independence).

Some people also have real concerns over the security of Europe's external borders, which has affected the security of internal borders as well. There's also the level of crimes committed by people who enter our country – we should be able to prevent them from entering in the first place, and be able to swiftly deport them when they commit criminal acts here.

Had the EU been prepared to recognise such factors and people's legitimate concerns for their livelihoods and those of their children, the vote might have gone the other way. I also think there are issues with regard to sovereignty and democracy. If a country does not want to be in an 'ever-closer political union', then I don't think it should be forced into it, and after all, we were never asked whether we wanted this, since the vast majority of people until recently thought the EU was an economic organisation only. I think in any case such an idea is a very foolish one, given how different the histories and cultures of the nations of Europe are.

Another factor is the hostile and unfriendly attitude presented by many of the bureaucratic, unelected leaders in the EU, and particularly by the bizarre Juncker, who appears to be a petty dictator – that doesn't show up the EU in any good way.

Had the EU conceded on just a few common sense points, remain would probably have won, but as it is it appears the EU leaders have cut off their noses to spite their faces, and just succeeded in bringing more chaos to an already fragile European situation…