If we vote for Brexit what happens

cells

michaels wrote: »

So would you vote the other way if Turkey did look like acceeding in the next 5 years?

Assuming that they can meet all the terms it wouldn't bother me. However its impossible for them to do that in the 5 year timeframe. Even if achieved that add on the 7 year wait for free movement and its 12 years before a Turk sets foot anywhere in the EU under free movement.

I think the most likely outcome IF both sides really wanted it would be for 10 years plus 10 years wait. At which point surely both Turkey and the EU will look quite different

BobQ

Sapphire wrote: »

Yes, and Juncker has just restated that there would be no more 'concessions' (not that the 'negotiations' achieved much anyway) to the UK if it voted to remain. So much for the lies emanating from Cameron, again (and Corbyn). So much for a 'reformed EU' that has been talked about by them and other remainders.

Vote Leave! :T

What lies? He said he would be advocate further change if we vote to Remain. I would of thought he would have realised by now that jumping up and down and stamping his feet will not achieve this. After the vote the entrenched positions will change and turn to the practicalities. If it is Remain, other nations will support Cameron in advocating change.

So what lies?

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

If it is Remain, other nations will support Cameron in advocating change.

So what lies?

Have you any evidence of what these changes are and which governments support them?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Last night Jean Claude Junker made a speech in which he said:



Quite a good summary in my view.

a historical perspective of about 20 years doesn't seem that convincing

Scarpacci

cells wrote: »

I think the most likely outcome IF both sides really wanted it would be for 10 years plus 10 years wait. At which point surely both Turkey and the EU will look quite different

Turkey might look quite different in ten years, but in which direction? Over the past few years they've been moving away from secular democracy, not towards it. That's why it's all the more concerning that the EU hasn't simply closed the door on Turkish membership.

Rinoa

Final TNS Poll has LEAVE 2% ahead

Slight movement to leave in betting markets but remain still heavily backed.

vivatifosi

Interesting conversation with a polling organisation on Sky today... said that polls are a reflection of views at a point in time, not a forecast. If you want to know what is forecast, ask the betting markets or pollsters (their comments, not mine).

Scarpacci

The betting market is interesting. There are more bets on Britain to leave the EU, it's just that there's bigger volume on the remain options. So there's some rich people who've bet big on the status quo, but plenty of ordinary Britons betting on leave and perhaps they have a better grasp of public opinion.

buglawton

Dear EU, you said 'No free trade without free movement of labour'.
Could you please explain your logic?

Sapphire

BobQ wrote: »

What lies? He said he would be advocate further change if we vote to Remain. I would of thought he would have realised by now that jumping up and down and stamping his feet will not achieve this. After the vote the entrenched positions will change and turn to the practicalities. If it is Remain, other nations will support Cameron in advocating change.

So what lies?

Cameron has already argued for changes and the EU has proved utterly intransigent, despite the 'gloss' Cameron attempted to put on his 'negotiations'.

Unfortunately, people like Merkel, Juncker and other officials in the EU were not voted in by our population (or that of any other European country), so we have no influence on whether they should be removed or not (which is not the case with our own politicians, who we can boot out and change if they do not perform in the best interests of a majority).

It is when people attain complete power that dictatorships arise – it has happened before, and is happening again before our very eyes. Unfortunately, historical events that demonstrate this are now too far away for some people to feel they need to take notice of them.