If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

Interesting analysis on recent polls by JP Morgan.

Make of it what you will.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-17/jpmorgan-reports-3-5-lead-leave-brexit-referendum

Sapphire

Rinoa wrote: »

Interesting analysis on recent polls by JP Morgan.

Make of it what you will.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-17/jpmorgan-reports-3-5-lead-leave-brexit-referendum

For some reason, Safari crashes out when I try your link.

In return, here are some interesting words that make sense, relevant to Vote Leave and the EU from Lech Walesa in Poland:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/680989/EU-falling-apart-has-no-shared-values-Lech-Walesa-in-scathing-attack

Broadly speaking, I agree with him.:)

Kohoutek

Sapphire wrote: »

Broadly speaking, I agree with him.:)

I thought you were for Vote Leave? He's come out in favour of the EU (but says it needs to be reformed / rebuilt), at least according to this article.

Sapphire

Kohoutek wrote: »

I thought you were for Vote Leave? He's come out in favour of the EU (but says it needs to be reformed / rebuilt), at least according to this article.

Yes, I am for Vote Leave. I think the EU is falling apart (it is destroying countries like Greece and Italy economically) and will not work as some sort of forced attempt at creating a 'political super-state'. It was a huge mistake to embark on such a venture, and particularly to do so clandestinely and think that the populations of European nations could be fooled and not notice what was happening. I think there should be economic cooperation, certainly, but my main concern (indeed outrage) is about hard-won democracy being taken away from sovereign countries in Europe by Germany, as well as the policy of open borders that let criminals, terrorists and other miscreants roam all over Europe without hinderance in such dangerous times.

If the EU is to survive, it would need to change radically, otherwise it is going to fall apart (whether we vote to Leave or not). However, the bubble-enclosed bureaucrats in Brussels appear to be so entrenched in their determination to push through policies that populations of the countries in Europe increasingly disagree with that I don't see how this failed project can change. Better to get out before the collapse.

kabayiri

Sapphire wrote: »

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If the EU is to survive, it would need to change radically, otherwise it is going to fall apart (whether we vote to Leave or not). However, the bubble-enclosed bureaucrats in Brussels appear to be so entrenched in their determination to push through policies that populations of the countries in Europe increasingly disagree with that I don't see how this failed project can change. Better to get out before the collapse.

The Five Presidents report makes it absolutely clear what the people at the heart of the EU project believe is needed :

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-5240_en.htm

It's basically a closer union, not a looser trading network. I don't see a healthy future for countries caught on the edge.

Interestingly, Juncker thinks this :
"The euro is a currency shared by 19 EU Member States and more than 330 million citizens. It is something to be proud of"

Seriously?! Is that the same Euro which is harming large chunks of Southern Europe?

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Seriously?! Is that the same Euro which is harming large chunks of Southern Europe?

The Euro has benefited really only one country - Germany.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Well, the EU are notoriously poor at trade negotiations, basically we haven't got any trade agreements with any country that matters. That's because all 28 EU countries have to agree on everything.

Negotiating for ourselves will be far simpler. Look at Chile, which has a third of our population and a tenth of our economy.

Chile has managed to get trade deals with the biggest economies around the world, including the US, China, India, Japan, Australia, Canada and South Korea.

The EU has trade deals with economies which have a total GDP of just £4.7 trillion. Chile has trade deals with £40 trillion-worth of countries. Almost ten times more.

Not only has Chile got these deals, it has negotiated most of them a hell of a lot faster than the EU.

It took Chile, without all the supposed influence of being a member of the EU, just 10 months to negotiate a deal with China. 10 months.

They took just 9 months to negotiate a deal with Australia, 10 with Canada, 12 months with Japan and 24 months with the US.

Maybe we could employ the Chilean negotiators.

Any fool can negotiate but it's takes experience and skill to negotiate a good deal on behalf of your Country. A quick deal is not always, if ever, a good deal.

gfplux

Sapphire wrote: »

Yes, I am for Vote Leave. I think the EU is falling apart (it is destroying countries like Greece and Italy economically) and will not work as some sort of forced attempt at creating a 'political super-state'. It was a huge mistake to embark on such a venture, and particularly to do so clandestinely and think that the populations of European nations could be fooled and not notice what was happening. I think there should be economic cooperation, certainly, but my main concern (indeed outrage) is about hard-won democracy being taken away from sovereign countries in Europe by Germany, as well as the policy of open borders that let criminals, terrorists and other miscreants roam all over Europe without hinderance in such dangerous times.

If the EU is to survive, it would need to change radically, otherwise it is going to fall apart (whether we vote to Leave or not). However, the bubble-enclosed bureaucrats in Brussels appear to be so entrenched in their determination to push through policies that populations of the countries in Europe increasingly disagree with that I don't see how this failed project can change. Better to get out before the collapse.

Wow, you are very angry.
Don't you think that the Governments of Greece and Italy have had some involvement in their difficulty setting.
There is no force being used to create a super state.
Why do use Germany as a wipping boy.
Criminals and terrorists only roam freely in the Shengen Zone. When in England these criminals and terrorist roam freely as there are no identity cards.
If you are voting out so be it. Let's hope that we get a big turnout as that is the way of Democracy.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

The Five Presidents report makes it absolutely clear what the people at the heart of the EU project believe is needed :

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-5240_en.htm

It's basically a closer union, not a looser trading network. I don't see a healthy future for countries caught on the edge.

Interestingly, Juncker thinks this :
"The euro is a currency shared by 19 EU Member States and more than 330 million citizens. It is something to be proud of"

Seriously?! Is that the same Euro which is harming large chunks of Southern Europe?

The press release you link to is all about closer financial union of the country's using the Euro. Therefore of no interest and of no threat to Britain.
Living in one of those Euro country's I am very happy with the Euro and the convenience of having the same currency in many countries. Britain does not use the Euro as currency so any discussion about it is non of our business.
We need to concentrate on our business.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The Euro has benefited really only one country - Germany.

Is that your guess or do you have facts to convince us.
However it does not matter as this is non of our business.
We have the pound. Let's concentrate on that.