If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Don't really care mate and don't think it makes any difference to the victims of their bigotry....

Have a look for yourself:-
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/10/england-fans-violence-marseille-police-european-championship

The dog whistle Brexiteer message seems to be hitting home to Farage's Brown Shirts, (or should I say white shirts):-

'Between clashes with the police, fans sang: “!!!! off Europe, we’re all voting out.” They also sang anti-IRA and anti-German songs before singing: “Sit down if you hate the French.”

Great isn't it....this is how we show the hand of friendship to our neighbour after what they have experienced recently!

I guess what really offended you were the anti-IRA songs.
I supposesd you have sent your sympathies to the Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Livingstone clique of your beloved labour party on this unEnglish expression of disgust.

tkane

chucknorris wrote: »

Betfair currently has it about 70%/30% in favour of remain, I think that is more reliable than a poll, but I do think that it will be a lot closer than that. I've already voted by post to remain.

Betfair is not more reliable than polls. At the last General Election they had odds of 10/1 for a Conservative majority even after the exit poll had come out. Betfair can be irrational...

chucknorris

tkane wrote: »

Betfair is not more reliable than polls. At the last General Election they had odds of 10/1 for a Conservative majority even after the exit poll had come out. Betfair can be irrational...

Well that's good news for you then, you can get better than 9/4 for exit. There is nothing irrational about betfair, you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that. You cite one market from over a year agao, do you realise how many markets betfair covers? Show me a link to just one current irrational price (in a market with liquidity) out of the 1,000's of markets that they are currently covering!

If you think that the poll in question, that gives exit a 10% lead is more representative of the actual vote result than betfair's odds, I would gladly back remain with you at 5/4 for as much as you can afford to pay (if the bet wins). But of course you would be far better off backing exit on betfair, which is why I suggested it above.

EDIT: But don't just take my word for it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-thomson/how-gamblers--historys-mo_b_2011534.html

Before the 2008 election, I spoke to Koleman Strumpf, a University of Kansas economics professor who tracks betting trends. “Relative to the polls, the betting markets have to think hard about what they’re saying since they are putting their money at stake,” he said. “Also polls tend to reflect what people are thinking at a given moment, versus a forecast of what will happen on election day — post-convention bounces, for instance.”
Added Paulick Report editor Ray Paulick, one of America’s top horseracing handicappers and a political prediction markets aficionado, “Gamblers have more experience with cheaters. They take voter fraud into their metrics. Polls don’t. Nor do polls take into account intangibles like how each state’s secretary of state factors in or systems within a state designed to eliminate voters.”
In 2008, 90 percent of gamblers correctly forecast an Obama victory. They were also on the money with 48 of 50 states.
Gamblers’ success in this arena is nothing new. In presidential races beginning in 1896, the New York Times, Sun, and World provided daily betting quotes. The papers’ sources were bookies who had agents at every stump and whistle-stop to gather intel and quantify popular sentiment. Between 1884 and 1940, the bettors erred on just one of sixteen elections, Wilson’s 1916 upset of Hughes.

Generali

globalds wrote: »

As for football fans singing?
It is very rare that the hand of friendship is offered for long in soccer.
Try listening to celtic and rangers fans
Or the English v Scotland games.
The right of people to chant at their rivals may not always be palatable.. But really should not be seen as offering some wonderful or meaningful insight into the psychi of certain sections within the population

Isn't the point of freedom of speech that you have the right to say things that other people don't like? I have the right to say something you don't like and you have the right to call me a berk*. (I'm not disagreeing with you BTW).



*A very rude piece of rhyming slang being Berk=>Berkshire Hunt => !!!!

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

I guess what really offended you were the anti-IRA songs.
I supposesd you have sent your sympathies to the Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Livingstone clique of your beloved labour party on this unEnglish expression of disgust.

You guessed wrong Clapton....but as usual all you are really doing is attempting to deflect from your own bigotry displayed day after day on this forum by attacking me with straw man arguments, (what I was talking about in this thread had absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn et al)! You are just trolling me like the sad stalker that you are. Completely unaccountable because of your anonymity.

TrickyTree83

gfplux wrote: »

Will we want free movement of people between Australia, New Zealand, Canada and India. Would it be in our interests to press for that to be in the trade agreement?

I don't think I mentioned free movement between those countries? But anyway, no I don't think we would. I'd be out of this country like a shot if we did - Auz / NZ here I come.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You guessed wrong Clapton....but as usual all you are really doing is attempting to deflect from your own bigotry displayed day after day on this forum by attacking me with straw man arguments, (what I was talking about in this thread had absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn et al)! You are just trolling me like the sad stalker that you are. Completely unaccountable because of your anonymity.

No, but you have said you have a racist dislike of the English
and repeatedly use the term 'little englanders' which is offensive, racist and stereotyping people.
You openly admit that your support (and have met personally) the labour party leadership who support the IRA, believe that killing 45 million people in the name of socialism is justified and also think the oppression of the people of Venuzuela shows 'a different path'.

I don't attack you at all : I simply mention things that you have said about yourself: you are entirely free to change your mind and withdraw your support from racism and your support for these unpleasant people who walk in the same shoes as murdering scum.


I've challenged you many times to repost any post of mine, you think is inappopriate, but you have never been able to find single one.

Enjoy the football tournament : I'm sure your will be supporting all the home nations.

TrickyTree83

BobQ wrote: »

Maybe it has become possible since the EU realised that the vote was becoming quite close.

I think this is a game of Russian Roulette with half the chambers full

Beginning to agree with this, and quite a few continental politicians are playing at brinkmanship.

CLAPTON

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't think I mentioned free movement between those countries? But anyway, no I don't think we would. I'd be out of this country like a shot if we did - Auz / NZ here I come.

Generali assures us that Aus has a totally free immigrant access policy so if you want to go, just do it: but do remember you will be leaving a superstate of 500 million for a small insecure little place of only 27 million and so will be massively poorer.

Mistermeaner

Clapton has acknowledged above that without immigration we will all have to work longer to pay enough tax to fund the non working population.

Personally I'd prefer not to do that and welcome population growth through immigration

He clearly has a very blinkered view of the world and is only able to see a limited range of issues and lacks the capacity to think bigger than his own little bubble.

IMO