If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

No I don't but there is an affordability issue there with an aging population, likewise for the increased demand for NHS services that older people tend to have for obvious reasons.

That said I'm not evangelical on slashing all other non-pension benefits either, many are though, and they often tend to be a lot quieter when it comes to discussing the much larger spend on pensions

Ultimately either those costs will need to be reduced (either through less generous provision, more means testing, later retirement or a combination of all of the above) as the population gets older or people will need to pay more taxes.

So yes from a public finance point of view young, educated, economically active people coming here from Europe tend to have a more favourable impact on public finances I would imagine.

clearly mathematically a continuous supply of employed young labour will reduce the tax 'burden' by spreading it further.

Whether a continuously increase population is a good thing for people is another matter. Unless we see the population of the world increasing for ever, the general issue must be addressed.

Personally, I feel the negatives of population growth, especial in London and the SE, far out way the positives even though I guess I am a beneficiary.

Quality of life is more important that public finances.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

A question.

Do you think that a vote to remain will bolster the confidence of the pro-Europeans both here and in Europe; and in so doing encourage them to push for Turkey joining the EU?

There could be many tactical reasons for those who want Turkey inside the EU, to push for it earlier than later.

Sitting as I do in Europe I can assure you that there is a VERY large majority against Turkey joining. Recent events have made it even more unlikely.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

On the hospital waiting list point, the average number of hospital beds in the UK I read yesterday is 3 per 1000 people, compared to 6 in France and 8 in Germany. Where michaels and I live, the figure is even lower... 1.5 per 1000 and there is a chronic shortage. Given that overpopulation of the UK has far from doubled due to migration, then that indicates that we had an undersupply to start with. No matter how rubbish the EU can be at times, I can't pin shortage of hospital.beds on the EU.

I have personal experience of the great service offered by the "NHS" in Luxembourg, Germany and France. As most people from those country's would say "I you fall ill in The UK head for the Airport"

leveller2911

gfplux wrote: »

Sitting as I do in Europe I can assure you that there is a VERY large majority against Turkey joining. Recent events have made it even more unlikely.

Majority of whom? the public or Politicians?.

Also which "recent events"?

leveller2911

gfplux wrote: »

I have personal experience of the great service offered by the "NHS" in Luxembourg, Germany and France. As most people from those country's would say "I you fall ill in The UK head for the Airport"

Strange that the Spanish man who received £200,000 worth of cancer treatment free on the NHS even though he has never lived in the UK and as such should never have received the treatment thought the NHS was good enough to come to the UK for treatment rather than stay in Spain and have treatment.

Ever needed treatment in Spain?. Be prepared to be taken to a private hospital where they ask for your insurance details rather than the EHIC card.Then be prepared to have to insist on being taken to a hospital which will then use the EHIC system. Come to the UK and you are taken straight to the NHS for treatment.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Our local hospital dealt with 113 languages last year. As there are dialects within a language to contend with as well.

There is nothing in the EU treaty that says you have to do this. This is down to Jobs Worths in the UK.
Here in Europe you get a family member, friend or anybody to help you with the language.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

There is nothing in the EU treaty that says you have to do this. This is down to Jobs Worths in the UK.
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It's a conscious decision to provide translation services I would agree.

(even though offering Census documents in Ulster Scots was pushing things to a ridiculous extreme IMO - they can all read English!)

My point is that if you embark on a plan to have a workforce from all corners, you need to bolster the infrastructure before not after.

Implementing language translation facilities piecemeal is quite expensive; better to do these things in a joined up fashion. It's something the EU should consider as a whole : how to fund translation and allow people access to the widest possible jobs market.

kabayiri

leveller2911 wrote: »

Strange that the Spanish man who received £200,000 worth of cancer treatment free on the NHS even though he has never lived in the UK and as such should never have received the treatment thought the NHS was good enough to come to the UK for treatment rather than stay in Spain and have treatment.
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If we choose to remain in the EU we will have to change the fundamental consumption model in the NHS.

If not it is obvious that anyone needing expensive medical treatment in Europe, and not able to access it in their home country, would be daft not to consider trying to get it in the UK.

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

It's a conscious decision to provide translation services I would agree.

(even though offering Census documents in Ulster Scots was pushing things to a ridiculous extreme IMO - they can all read English!)

My point is that if you embark on a plan to have a workforce from all corners, you need to bolster the infrastructure before not after.

Implementing language translation facilities piecemeal is quite expensive; better to do these things in a joined up fashion. It's something the EU should consider as a whole : how to fund translation and allow people access to the widest possible jobs market.

the plan should be that all migrants should speak english : why wouldn't that be the case?

gfplux

leveller2911 wrote: »

Majority of whom? the public or Politicians?.

Also which "recent events"?

I should have made clear.... A huge majority of ordinary Citizens who because of compulsory voting have a large influence. Compulsory voting is not seen as a burden but a right.

Recent security events plus stability issues that are delaying any expansion plans.