If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

Graham_Devon wrote: »

But surely if you have a supply issue (in this case, beds), adding a few hundred thousand people a year isn't going to help.
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This is obvious I would suggest.

It's daft to claim European migrants are the only reason causing stress on the services, but also daft to claim they have no effect.

An example. Thameside council is having to support queries in 54 languages. Just 2 decades ago this would have been unthinkable. This is very difficult for a small local authority to cope with.

If we want a system based on a highly mobile workforce, we should be prepared to spend big on boosting the infrastructure *before* these people arrive, and not reactively after.

It's almost as if we want the labour on the cheap without having to pay for the supporting costs.

setmefree2

Greenland’s exit in 1985 is the only real precedent we have. That took three years. Greenland's exit left it as an associate member still subject to EU treaties.So, a risk with the UK - much larger and, after 43 years, far more entwined in the European project - is it would need even longer than this.

Can you imagine how much damage that will do to the UK economy?

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

My original point was to question whether the loss of inward investment would be such a bad thing in the medium term.

Let's put numbers to that statement. In 2014 (latest data), the stock of inward FDI at £1trn was 57 per cent of GDP, with Europe accounting for the lion’s share of this stock.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

I wonder if it would be better to try and shed the party lines from the discussions. I think it harms the 'In' campaign because people will conflate local issues with the wider and longer term issue about whether the EU is something we support or not.

I think the politicking is more harmful to the in campaign too. It's as if they'd rather risk a leave vote than find a point of agreement - politicians for you.

It'll be interesting to see how the SNP deal with the points of similarity although I think they'd be delighted with Scots voting to stay but the UK as a whole voting to leave.

kabayiri

A question.

Do you think that a vote to remain will bolster the confidence of the pro-Europeans both here and in Europe; and in so doing encourage them to push for Turkey joining the EU?

There could be many tactical reasons for those who want Turkey inside the EU, to push for it earlier than later.

angrypirate

setmefree2 wrote: »

Greenland’s exit in 1985 is the only real precedent we have. That took three years. Greenland's exit left it as an associate member still subject to EU treaties.So, a risk with the UK - much larger and, after 43 years, far more entwined in the European project - is it would need even longer than this.

Can you imagine how much damage that will do to the UK economy?

Not really. Sounds more like scaremongering if you ask me. We are the 2nd biggest economy in Europe on track to be the largest in the next few years and less than 50% of our trade is with the EU. In terms of absolute figures, EU sell more to us than we sell to them. It is in their interests as much as ours to come to some sort of decent trade agreement. More and more companies with offices / factories in the UK are coming out downplaying the effect of Brexit. Also we will be able to negotiate our own decent trade agreements with other economies round the globe that are growing a lot faster than the EU.

You are David Cameron and I claim my £5. Actually maybe im wrong. Are you Ken Clarke?

Rinoa

setmefree2 wrote: »

Greenland’s exit in 1985 is the only real precedent we have. That took three years. Greenland's exit left it as an associate member still subject to EU treaties.So, a risk with the UK - much larger and, after 43 years, far more entwined in the European project - is it would need even longer than this.

Can you imagine how much damage that will do to the UK economy?

The EU are very proficient blackmailers.

If anyone wants to leave they'll be made to pay. Trade duties will be raised, and if you still want to trade they'll bully you and insist on you adhering to any number of EU rules, even after you've left.

Not sure I want us to be associated with such an organisation.

angrypirate

Rinoa wrote: »

The EU are very proficient blackmailers.

If anyone wants to leave they'll be made to pay. Trade duties will be raised, and if you still want to trade they'll bully you and insist on you adhering to any number of EU rules, even after you've left.

Not sure I want us to be associated with such an organisation.

They are proficient blackmailers, almost protection racket in their behaviour, but to what extent would they screw their own house over in order to get revenge?

Rinoa

angrypirate wrote: »

They are proficient blackmailers, almost protection racket in their behaviour, but to what extent would they screw their own house over in order to get revenge?

The EU-US trade agreement is progressing, albeit at a glacial pace. When it is finally concluded trade barriers will be lifted.

The US won't be complying with EU bureaucracy and certainly won't be contributing to EU coffers in any way.

So, will the EU still insist on the UK doing so when we leave?

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

An example. Thameside council is having to support queries in 54 languages. Just 2 decades ago this would have been unthinkable. This is very difficult for a small local authority to cope with.

Our local hospital dealt with 113 languages last year. As there are dialects within a language to contend with as well.