If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

leveller2911 wrote: »

Strange that the Spanish man who received £200,000 worth of cancer treatment free on the NHS even though he has never lived in the UK and as such should never have received the treatment thought the NHS was good enough to come to the UK for treatment rather than stay in Spain and have treatment.

Ever needed treatment in Spain?. Be prepared to be taken to a private hospital where they ask for your insurance details rather than the EHIC card.Then be prepared to have to insist on being taken to a hospital which will then use the EHIC system. Come to the UK and you are taken straight to the NHS for treatment.

Spanish man details not coming up on Google, can you provide a link.

Holiday makers in Spain have nothing to do with the merits of the Spanish health care system.

leveller2911

gfplux wrote: »

I should have made clear.... A huge majority of ordinary Citizens who because of compulsory voting have a large influence. Compulsory voting is not seen as a burden but a right.

Recent security events plus stability issues that are delaying any expansion plans.

I'm not sure thats the case in the countries where I have friends which is Germany and Belgium where people are becoming more dispondant with the EU and its inability to address major issues such as the Euro, migrant crisis and The Ukraine, to name but 3.

My friends are all middle class voters so I don't think the working class populations in those coutries would be any more pro EU than the Dermatologist consultants I know.

leveller2911

gfplux wrote: »

Spanish man details not coming up on Google, can you provide a link.

There was a link posted in DT on a few threads to the story so have a look in the DT section.

Holiday makers in Spain have nothing to do with the merits of the Spanish health care system.

Erh?

You obviously missed my point about the EHIC cards not being recognised by Spanish hospitals until you complain and insist on seeing a doctor under the EHIC system.They prefer you to stump up and pay on the credit/debit card first.

Tromking

Already 15K refugees massing on the Turkey/ Syria border as a result of the Aleppo incursion. Best you get this referendum over with pronto Cameron!

.string.

On the EHIC - that card id's for emergency only, so medical care for treatment that can wait is not covered. For that you need a Private Insurance. Prescriptions are not covered as far as I know.

I go to Spain 2 or 3 times a year and although I do have private insurance which covers me I always carry my EHIC card with me. If I have an accident the last thing I want to do is negotiate price, phone insurance companies etc. when all I have to do is flash the card and they will stitch back on the bits that have fallen off.

I recommend that anyone who goes to Europe has an EHIC card regardless of whether they have private insurance or not.

I suspect that many of the tales about difficulties getting treatment with an EHIC card may be due to disagreements on what constitutes an emergency.

Having said that, it is true that some will try to get you to pay, but you have to stand your ground.

My experience with the Spanish NHS, based on the treatment given to my daughter's family, is that it is very good indeed and well on a par with the NHS

setmefree2

setmefree2 wrote: »

Let's put numbers to that statement. In 2014 (latest data), the stock of inward FDI at £1trn was 57 per cent of GDP, with Europe accounting for the lion’s share of this stock.

CLAPTON wrote: »

extraordinary : whatever does it mean?

It means that an exit would negatively affect investment in the UK and this will hurt a lot.

setmefree2

What happens after Brexit?

So posters in favor of leaving the EU - what model do you favor for a future outside the EU?

A Norwegian option, whereby we quit the EU but remain a member of the single market. (Far from enhancing UK sovereignty, this would see Britain forced to adopt many single market rules without any say over their substance). Britain moves from being a rule-maker to a rule-taker.

Britain should strike trade deals on a country-by-country basis???? (But this would see British companies paying higher tariffs to trade internationally.)

Seriously. What does the alternative to EU membership look like???

setmefree2

Economic growth in Britain would be up to 4 percentage points lower over the next four years and sterling could lose a fifth of its value if the country votes to leave the European Union, economists at U.S. bank Citi said on Friday.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-brexit-idUKKCN0VE1X3

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

It means that an exit would negatively affect investment in the UK and this will hurt a lot.

no, it needs some analysis

if truely inward investment were 50% of GDP one would expect a MASSIVE inpact on jobs (surely millions extra per year) and a massive impact on GDP (even if it is a false god) surely growth at 5-10% per annum

also its not entirely clear whether it is a massive medium term benefit that all the profits/dividends of UK are paid abroad.

I would happily say that if this inward 'investment ' dropped to german levels (i.e. a drop of 80% ) then we would prosper quite well enough.

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

What happens after Brexit?

So posters in favor of leaving the EU - what model do you favor for a future outside the EU?

A Norwegian option, whereby we quit the EU but remain a member of the single market. (Far from enhancing UK sovereignty, this would see Britain forced to adopt many single market rules without any say over their substance). Britain moves from being a rule-maker to a rule-taker.

Britain should strike trade deals on a country-by-country basis???? (But this would see British companies paying higher tariffs to trade internationally.)

Seriously. What does the alternative to EU membership look like???

we could try free trade
i.e. the USA / China /India /Aus / NZ /Russia model : are all these countries forced to subsidise EU projects and pay high tariffs?