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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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Pollsters get it wrong more than 50% of the time whenever two options/parties are even vaguely competitive. The bookies on the other hand have a pretty good track record in UK politics.
Whatever paddypower say the result will be a week or so before the referendum, that's what the outcome will be. You heard it here first. :beer:0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »The young don't appear to understand that they'll still be able to travel relatively easily if the best argument they can come up with is easier travel.
We don't have visa free access to Egypt, but all you do is rock up pay your $20 and get a stamp. It'll be relatively similar with the EU. The tourism industries will see to that. They will find it more difficult to settle and work there. To me that's a rather selfish point of view. For example I'm not a fisherman but I'd like the UK's fishing fleets to get back what was stolen from them so I'm voting to leave (not just on that basis!).
relative to what? relative to what happens now?
is there a requirement to vote for altruistic reasons?
Self interest is how most people vote
What was stolen from the fishing industry? My recollection was that throughout the 60s and 70s UK Fishing industry plundered the stocks around our shores endangering some species. The EU has helped to conserve fish stocks. Fishing was always going to decline as technology allowed fishermen to literally hunt for fish and hover them up. I feel sorry for those affected by this, but we have an obligation to conserve stocks.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
relative to what? relative to what happens now?
is there a requirement to vote for altruistic reasons?
Self interest is how most people vote
What was stolen from the fishing industry? My recollection was that throughout the 60s and 70s UK Fishing industry plundered the stocks around our shores endangering some species. The EU has helped to conserve fish stocks. Fishing was always going to decline as technology allowed fishermen to literally hunt for fish and hover them up. I feel sorry for those affected by this, but we have an obligation to conserve stocks.
your recollection is wrong
and if you check the facts the amount of fish landed by the uk fishing fleet declined from 1975 so it's now about half the 1975 figure.
the EU has ruled over the decline in fish stocks with the UK powerless to intervene.0 -
You have personally gained enormously from these redundancies : they have nothing to do with brexit but have been happening continuously whilst we have been part of the EU.
Change will continue to occur whether we are part of the EU or not : the alternative is massive decline.
I have personally gained nothing from anyone's redundancy.
According to the pro-Brexit economist Patrick Minford, writing on behalf of the Leave campaign, the implications of transitioning to trading under WTO rules will be significant structural changes in the economy as we move into markets at the expense of others. This is additional to the normal changes in the economy we currently have.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
your recollection is wrong
and if you check the facts the amount of fish landed by the uk fishing fleet declined from 1975 so it's now about half the 1975 figure.
the EU has ruled over the decline in fish stocks with the UK powerless to intervene.
That makes me right, fishing has had to be constrained due to over fishing that went back to before we joined the EUFew people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I have personally gained nothing from anyone's redundancy.
According to the pro-Brexit economist Patrick Minford, writing on behalf of the Leave campaign, the implications of transitioning to trading under WTO rules will be significant structural changes in the economy as we move into markets at the expense of others. This is additional to the normal changes in the economy we currently have.
virtually all progress has been via industries declining and new ones rising;
redundancies are an inevitable part of the process
unless you are living by subsistence farming, your entire standard of living and all the goods and services you consume, have been a result of million and millions of redundancies.0 -
http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2016/05/eu-referendum- Speaking of Scotland, remember that argument of Brexit campaigners about "controlling our borders"? The UK has a land border with the EU in Ireland and might have one with Scotland if it gets independence. That means EU citizens will have the right to move freely to Ireland and Scotland. So if we want to "control our borders" we will need checkpoints on our roads, including the A1 from Edinburgh to London, and passport checks at Edinburgh Waverley on the 16.30 to King's Cross. So vote Remain to avoid 20-mile tailbacks at Berwick and Carlisle. (And if you think that wouldn't be allowed to happen, then don't believe the "control of our borders" story.)
- If the Leave campaign wins, David Cameron will be forced out as prime minister. That might leave us with the choice of Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn at the next election.
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I believe that the EU owns the massive anchors which keep the UK in close proximity to our major European market.
A Brexit vote would result in these anchors being raised, and we would float off.
On a plus note, we might float near enough to truly claim the Falklands as our own.0 -
Latest YouGov poll tied.
Trust in Cameron falling.
Those backing leave more likely to vote.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/75386/brexit-camp-pulls-level-remain
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/8j6845m5qq/TimesResults_160524_EURef&ToryLeadership_W.pdfIf I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
Latest YouGov poll tied.
Trust in Cameron falling.
Those backing leave more likely to vote.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/75386/brexit-camp-pulls-level-remain
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/8j6845m5qq/TimesResults_160524_EURef&ToryLeadership_W.pdf
Oh you! Silly cherry picking:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/eu-referendum-poll-pensioners-tory-voters-and-men-are-deserting/
Remain 13 percentage points ahead.
The chances are that Leave will need a pretty decent lead heading up to Referendum day to stand a chance of winning. People vote for the status quo.0
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