If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

michaels wrote: »

The Beeb had a vox pop last night in which all the old people wanted to leave and all the young people wanted to stay - of course neither side was allowed to express any realistic reason for their preference ('we dont want all them foreigners coming over' / 'I like to go to Ibiza')

I was a bit put out by the young person telling the old person that their vote should count for more because they wold live for more years under the consequences of the decison....

The young don't appear to understand that they'll still be able to travel relatively easily if the best argument they can come up with is easier travel.

We don't have visa free access to Egypt, but all you do is rock up pay your $20 and get a stamp. It'll be relatively similar with the EU. The tourism industries will see to that. They will find it more difficult to settle and work there. To me that's a rather selfish point of view. For example I'm not a fisherman but I'd like the UK's fishing fleets to get back what was stolen from them so I'm voting to leave (not just on that basis!).

StevieJ

If only we could be given balanced facts so we could make up are minds sensibly A link to a good article by David Smith of The Times. A sample and link below.

This brings me to me second point. Would there be a bonfire of red tape if Britain left the EU? Open Europe, which is strong in this area, estimates the annual cost of EU red tape to be £33bn a year. There is, it should be said, a parallel estimate of the benefits to Britain of EU regulations of £58.6bn a year, also based on official impact assessments.
How can there be benefits of red tape? The Treasury, in its assessment of the costs and benefits of EU membership, lists some of them, such as the fact that a single testing regime for cosmetics reduces costs, that there have been significant gains to both operators and consumers in the transport sector, and so on. The public benefits from measures to protect the environment while, in the field of labour market regulation, one firm’s burden is its employees’ workplace protection. Estimates of the benefits of EU regulation, to be fair, include those from rules not yet fully enacted

http://www.economicsuk.com/blog/002160.html#more

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

If only we could be given balanced facts so we could make up are minds sensibly A link to a good article by David Smith of The Times. A sample and link below.


http://www.economicsuk.com/blog/002160.html#more

I suppose another example of the benefit of a single EU testing regime is that of testing diesel cars for toxic emissions and real world fuel usage.

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

which human costs are you referring to ?
the extreme proverty of pre industrial society?
the injury and disease etc of coal mining

or the rich and excellent society we now live in?

I was thinking of people made redundant who have an established life in an area having to uproot their family to move to another part of the country just because we have voted to leave the EU. The people making these decisions using words like structural change are not concerned about the pawns they are moving around in their grand strategies

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

I was thinking of people made redundant who have an established life in an area having to uproot their family to move to another part of the country just because we have voted to leave the EU. The people making these decisions using words like structural change are not concerned about the pawns they are moving around in their grand strategies

You have personally gained enormously from these redundancies : they have nothing to do with brexit but have been happening continuously whilst we have been part of the EU.
Change will continue to occur whether we are part of the EU or not : the alternative is massive decline.

BobQ

mayonnaise wrote: »

EU referendum poll: pensioners, Tory voters and men are deserting the Brexit campaign.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/eu-referendum-poll-pensioners-tory-voters-and-men-are-deserting/


That's quite a swing. Any suggestions as to why this is happening?

I think it is a symptom of people realising that Brexit is not going to be the panacea that those advocating it are suggesting. It was always the case that people will vote in their self interest and will not support things that hit their pocket.

Another of the motley crew of Leave leaders Andrea Leadsom was given generous amounts of time on BBC Newsnight last night (well worth viewing on IPlayer). It exposed the lack of clarity in the options available after Brexit and the weakness of our negotiating position in dealing with the EU and other nations.

Their "unscientific" panel who were selected by a apolling organisation as being genuinely uncertain came down on the Remain side too (7 of 8). One said she was now an enthusiastic Leave supporter. I would not read much into the Remain support, but from comments it was obvious people were not enthusiasts for the EU, they just felt it was better than the uncertain alternative.

Brexit have perhaps made a big mistake in excluding Farage. Although he would make the rest of the crew look quite uninspiring.

BobQ

Filo25 wrote: »

I would tend to agree that its probably just a rogue poll, obviously the more you cut the data into sub-groups the smaller the sample sizes get, and the less reliable the data becomes.

It is not one poll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

Filo25

Does the Brexit campaign have an official line as to whether our future outside the EU would be inside or outside the EEA?

Because the answer to that has a radical effect on what the impact of voting to leave would be.

BobQ

michaels wrote: »

The Beeb had a vox pop last night in which all the old people wanted to leave and all the young people wanted to stay - of course neither side was allowed to express any realistic reason for their preference ('we dont want all them foreigners coming over' / 'I like to go to Ibiza')

I was a bit put out by the young person telling the old person that their vote should count for more because they wold live for more years under the consequences of the decison....

Sadly the outcome will be determined by some very absurd opinions. It is called democracy.

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

Does the Brexit campaign have an official line as to whether our future outside the EU would be inside or outside the EEA?

Because the answer to that has a radical effect on what the impact of voting to leave would be.

there is no 'brexit' political party in the UK so, there is no 'official' line on any subject: they are joined by a wish to reclaim UK democracy by leaving the EU.