If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

LHW99 wrote: »

Not sure if this is the case, as both sides seem to have doubts that any bill is enforceable
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/04/uk-could-quit-eu-without-paying-a-penny-say-lords
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/07/even-eu-lawyers-say-e100bn-brexit-bill-is-legally-impossible-to-enforce-6621018/

For example, we took on payment responsibiities for past EU workers' pensions when we joined, even though when those people were employed the UK had not been a member. Which tends to imply those bills have to be paid by the current members of the club. From 2019, or thereabouts, we will not be a member, so our responsibility ends.

You are possibly right. If that is the case it will have to be tested in the courts. The ECJ I imagine. That will be interesting as the ECJ is a Tory red line.
In an earlier post a said the ECJ was a British red line but of course it is a Tory red line. Yes one and the same if they win in June.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

So you think EU bailiffs will sail across the channel, enter UK factories, seize plant and machinery and sail back to the EU?

It's an interesting thought gflux

That would be fun.
You know how it really works so sadly that will not happen. There are plenty of assets of all Company's and Country's sitting around everywhere.

The_Last_Username

gfplux wrote: »

That would be fun.
You know how it really works so sadly that will not happen. There are plenty of assets of all Company's and Country's sitting around everywhere.

When so much of the UK's physical assets are owned by outside parties I think that would be more of a concern for them than for the UK.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

That would be fun.
You know how it really works so sadly that will not happen. There are plenty of assets of all Company's and Country's sitting around everywhere.

The_Last_Username wrote: »

When so much of the UK's physical assets are owned by outside parties I think that would be more of a concern for them than for the UK.

I hope that practical pragmatism is the preferred approach on both sides rather than entrenched dogma.

Things would have to be pretty awful for it to come to this. You'd certainly have people on both sides of the channel questioning why their supposed leaders couldn't come to a better solution than that. Tit for tat would lead to a vicious circle. Not good.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

slavery, etc are still quite rampant in the UK (despite the competent authorities).

Totally agree. The biggest issue around here is the trafficking of Eastern European women for prostitution. The Thames Valley (i.e. M4) being controlled by a gang operating put of North London. Pop up brothels. Bristol is under the control of another gang of Eastern Europeans. With it has come an increase in the possession of firearms. The poor girls are often force fed drug addicts as well. Outside your front door is the real world. The fact that you cannot see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

cogito

The BBC are reporting that arch-europhile Enda Kenny is stepping down as Taoiseach in Ireland. I've thought for some time that Ireland could easily be next to leave the EU. Should be interesting.

He's probably heading for the Brussels gravy train.

gfplux

gfplux wrote: »

Barnier has made clear his (EU) first items on the agenda of the Brexit negotiations in June will be:-

EU and UK citizens rights
Irelands border
Financial settlement.

Those are his (EU) first three things. We think we know that Britains first item Would also be:-
EU and UK citizens rights.

What opinions do people have on the order of the agenda, will negotiations go on in parallel and most important WHAT will be on the agenda, how many points are there to discuss after the first three?

I have one
European Atomic Energy Community. This is governed by the European Court of Justice. Britain has to leave as the ECJ is a red line for Britain.

Any others. It will be interesting (fun) to make a list.
If anyone happens to speak to any potential Tory candidate they (the candidate) might have items to add to the list having been briefed by party headquarters.

OK so no one wants to add to the list. I will add to my original list with possible time frames.

1) Ending Britains relationship the the European Court of Justice. Time elapsed 5 minutes
2) EU & UK citizens rights. Time elapsed 6 months
3) Irelands border. Time elapsed 6 months
4) Setlement of Financial obligations. Time elapsed 2 weeks
5) Gibraltar border. Time elapsed 2 weeks
6) Ending Britains relationship with the European Atomic Energy Community. Time elapsed 10 minutes
7) Financial Passporting. Time elapsed 6 months.

As I foresee (but don't know) that negotiations on all subjects of the divorce could be taking place in tandem in different rooms the time elapsed is not cumulative.
The above would take us to the end of the year.

I have no idea what other things would be on the agenda, perhaps nothing else.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

OK so no one wants to add to the list. I will add to my original list with possible time frames.

Until their is flesh on the bone. Impossible to forecast what the issues in the detail might be. The nature of the EU makes it nigh impossible to move with any speed. Barnier is only the mouth piece.

For the UK it's easy. Play hardball. Only losers are the EU members.

Conrad

Lib Dems keep saying the EU would love us to remain.
This implies the DU derives benefit from a good relationship with us, so I would suggest in the end this mutually beneficial grown up relationship will prevail with us as an independent nation.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Until their is flesh on the bone. Impossible to forecast what the issues in the detail might be. The nature of the EU makes it nigh impossible to move with any speed. Barnier is only the mouth piece.

For the UK it's easy. Play hardball. Only losers are the EU members.

What flesh has to be put on the bone?
I am not sure that playing hard ball will gain Britain anything other than dragging out the time of phase one.
You are right that we don't know anything.