If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

Ballard wrote: »

We await the chaos from Brexit. Perhaps it will come but hopefully it will never materialise and the UK will remain united and will surge ahead. I've made it very clear that I have grave doubts. My question is, if we do end up worse off financially in a few years time who will the Brexiteers blame? Would it be the easy target of the remainers? Would it be the EU? Would it be our government? My hunch is that it would be whoever The Daily Mail tell them is at fault.

Speaking personally, as a leave voter and depending on the circumstances, I'd have to partly blame myself.
More to life than money though.

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And as wrong today as it was then.

A 'free' trade deal is not the same thing as membership of the single market.

It's nowhere near as good - and it's not even really 'free trade' in anything like the way you seem to think it is.

This has been explained to you on numerous occasions.

So there's no revision necessary.

In your humble (Remoaner) opinion....

....as has been explained to you on numerous occasions.

kabayiri

Tromking wrote: »

Speaking personally, as a leave voter and depending on the circumstances, I'd have to partly blame myself.
More to life than money though.

There is no blame, for anyone outside of politics, regardless of the way you voted.

It was a complex value laden question, wrapped up in a simple binary choice.

Every voter makes the best choice they can. We accept this with voting in GE's so why can't we accept it with a referendum?

In my household we had 1 Leave vote; 1 Remain vote. Entirely valid, because we had different perspectives. This pretty much reflected my locality, funnily enough.

setmefree2

kabayiri wrote: »

Barnier's visit to Ireland is interesting.

Arguably a tragedy.




Here is an unelected politician telling Ireland who they can trade with and on what terms. !!!!!!?!

How many people died trying to get Ireland independent? Especially at the hands of Gerry Adams sitting just behind Barnier.

It's a joke.

kabayiri

setmefree2 wrote: »

Arguably a tragedy.
...

I saw it as a PR move as much as anything, trying to maintain the unified front.

I think there is a good chance it will crumble if things turn bitter in the negotiations.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

I could post up dozens of German economy warning articles from the last year.

Here's a new one;

Germany’s ‘powerhouse’ economy is cracking and investors need to be wary, economist warns

Silvia Amaro | @Silvia_Amaro
Thursday, 9 Mar 2017 | 4:22 AM ET


"The crack in Germany's economy has become most evident in consumer spending. Retail sales volumes have slowed consistently since growth rates peaked in mid-2015. They have crashed in the last six monthly reports," Carl Weinberg, chief economist at High Frequency Economics, said in a note earlier this week.


Hard data shows that Germany's economy has been facing problems for at least the past six months, despite an uptick in growth at the end of last

My sources are better and hot off the press:- https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/may/12/german-economy-gdp-accelerates-growth-us-inflation-retail-sales-business-live http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39894117 https://www.ft.com/content/a0fe6539-3bdb-3bcd-b161-a1de547cfb82

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

Arguably a tragedy.




Here is an unelected politician telling Ireland who they can trade with and on what terms. !!!!!!?!

How many people died trying to get Ireland independent? Especially at the hands of Gerry Adams sitting just behind Barnier.

It's a joke.

Just to point out, he is infact elected.....

By elected representatives from countries of the EU, which means that you voted to put him there.

So, a politician advises Ireland of their contractual obligations in relation to a situation would be a much fairer description, although I suppose that doesn't sound anywhere near as dramatic.

setmefree2

Macron wants tougher EU on trade and foreign investment

French president-elect wants ‘Buy Europe’ measures in bid to win over domestic critics

France’s president-elect Emmanuel Macron will push the EU to adopt a tougher stance on trade and foreign investment, in an early bid to win over domestic critics calling for greater protectionism.

By advocating the EU be more protective of its own interests

Mr Macron’s priorities include a “Buy European Act” modelled on US rules that would make it more difficult for non-EU companies to access public procurement deals.

Free Trade my donkey.

https://www.ft.com/content/38e98f94-359b-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3

setmefree2

Same article.

Schäuble, the German economy minister, said on Thursday that he agreed with Mr Macron on the creation of a eurozone parliament.

https://www.ft.com/content/38e98f94-359b-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3

German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble wants to increase in integration of euro zone countries by creating a parliament for the currency bloc.
Schaeuble said in an interview published on Thursday in Italy's La Repubblica that he discussed the idea, which would go hand in hand with his favoured plan to create a continental bailout fund, with French President-elect Emanuel Macron.
"We could strengthen the mechanisms," he told the newspaper. "We could create a euro zone parliament made up of members of the European Parliament, which could have consultative powers over the European Stability Mechanism."

German parties are squabbling over how to respond to Macron's proposals for closer European integration, which include a shared budget and finance minister for the bloc.
Macron's plans would require changes to European Union treaties, and Schaeuble said it was "unrealistic" they would get the necessary unanimous approval from all governments, some of whom would hold referendums on it.
But he signalled openness to discuss finding ways to strengthen European integration and reduce reliance on the European Central Bank, which is pumping tens of billions of euros every month into the economy.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-future-schaeuble-idUKKBN1871FD

OH My! I'm sure the French will love this!

Ballard

Tromking wrote: »

Speaking personally, as a leave voter and depending on the circumstances, I'd have to partly blame myself.
More to life than money though.

I fully respect that but I suspect that you would be in the minority.

On the subject of money, though, it's all well and good to say that it's not the most important thing but if services are cut then it would change everyone's quality of life. I've heard people declare that they'd rather be poor and free but I don't think that they've thought it through. If their hospital treatment gets cancelled and they have to buy school books and downgrade their meals I'm quite sure that the vast majority would have a rethink.