If we vote for Brexit what happens

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

The majority of under 40s want the UK to be part of the EU, and nationally only 33% of those eligible to vote, voted Leave. So your claims of having the backing of "the British People" are hollow to say the least.

I find it very curious that so many young people voted to remain in an organisation that has created the highest youth unemployment rates since the great depression.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Again look at what real people in Europe are saying about impending self harm

Why worry about what 'real' people say when it's more enlightening to see what they do.

The Dutch and French have arguably just voted for more rather than less Europe.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

What will you chose to spend the c£25 million daily EU club fee on once we leave?

It'll only take something like a 2% drop in trade to wipe out that saving, and then there's all the extra admin costs we're going to need to spend in order to do that trade.

Both a real issue unless we get some customs union equivalent.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

What will you chose to spend the c£25 million daily EU club fee on once we leave?
Whatever way you want to cut it, it's a huge sum and the public understood this.


We want the an orderly immigration system, you know like that well known racist nation, Canada, has.

You are implying that there is no benefit to the UK in being in Europe. If you believe that then no, there is no point spending the £8bn a year it costs us after rebates and inward receipts.


However to put that in context of what the UK spends per year.


Public pensions: £159bn
NHS - £140bn
State pensions: £74bn (including £3bn for winter fuel allowances and free tv licenses)
Defence - £47bn
Housing benefit paid to private landlords - £17bn
Europe - £8bn


The UK has a GDP of two trillion pounds and Leavers want to cut us off from the biggest export market in the world, which is also our biggest market) to save on something that is most probably directly linked to the £2tn to save a tiny fraction of our expenditure.


Completely notwithstanding that most people who are actually going to be alive to live in the UK over the next few decades don't want to split with the EU at all.

mrginge

Arklight wrote: »

Completely notwithstanding that most people who are actually going to be alive to live in the UK over the next few decades don't want to split with the EU at all.

Well they can all vote lib dem in a month and sort it out can't they.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Why worry about what 'real' people say when it's more enlightening to see what they do.

The Dutch and French have arguably just voted for more rather than less Europe.

These millions of European workers will happily accept having their jobs put at risk will they?


Why didn't a few thousand TATA steel workers take this same 'whatever' attitude?

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

You are implying that there is no benefit to the UK in being in Europe. If you believe that then no, there is no point spending the £8bn a year it costs us after rebates and inward receipts.


The UK has a GDP of two trillion pounds and Leavers want to cut us off from the biggest export market in the world,

Who's arguing we 'cut ourselves off from the biggest export market in the world'? S Korea and other far less important markets have an EU trade deal. Our trade is already huge, real and fully compliant - no way will hundreds of thousands of French people involved in exporting to UK just lay down an accept barriers to existing UK trade and harm themselves.

STUDY FINDS SINGLE MARKET VASTLY OVER-RATED;

Over the past two decades, 14 economies- including Canada, India and the US - that trade under WTO rules increased their exports of goods to the 11 founding members of the single market faster than the UK, the study said.

"The evidence shows that the disadvantages of non-membership of the EU and single market have been vastly exaggerated and that the supposed benefits of membership, whether for exports of goods and services, for productivity, for worldwide trade, or for employment, are largely imaginary," the study said.


bbc.co.uk/news/business-39356664

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Who's arguing we 'cut ourselves off from the biggest export market in the world'? S Korea and other far less important markets have an EU trade deal. Our trade is already huge, real and fully compliant - no way will hundreds of thousands of French people involved in exporting to UK just lay down an accept barriers to existing UK trade and harm themselves.

STUDY FINDS SINGLE MARKET VASTLY OVER-RATED;

Over the past two decades, 14 economies- including Canada, India and the US - that trade under WTO rules increased their exports of goods to the 11 founding members of the single market faster than the UK, the study said.

"The evidence shows that the disadvantages of non-membership of the EU and single market have been vastly exaggerated and that the supposed benefits of membership, whether for exports of goods and services, for productivity, for worldwide trade, or for employment, are largely imaginary," the study said.


bbc.co.uk/news/business-39356664

Your study comes from Civitas a, '...rightwing thinktank which promotes pamphlets opposing immigration and asylum"


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/aug/31/race.newschools


It also doesn't list any figures at all. The EU is our largest export market and has been for years. The fact that Canada increased its percentage of trade faster than us tells the reader nothing about overall market penetration.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Interestingly the elderly supported Macron and his pro-EU vision;


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/nearly-half-young-french-voters-marine-le-pen-emmanuel-macron-french-election-2017-a7723291.html




Nearly half of young French voters back Marine Le Pen, projections suggest

Far-right candidate receives support from just 20 per cent of over-65s

You're aware that's a different country, right?

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

These millions of European workers will happily accept having their jobs put at risk will they?

The French have just voted for more Europe. It's the will of the people. Who cares if a few moaners don't like it?