If we vote for Brexit what happens

padington

Bojo's leading the polls to be the next Tory leader and prime minister. Whilst remain camp slightly ahead of brexit now.

Its the perfect situation for Boris, to lead a country inside Europe with all the economic benefits that involves ( higher immigration, more workers, more taxes,, more innovation, younger population , continued access to European markets, no need to re-negotiate every trading partnership etc) whilst having the 'I told you so' card when ever things don't go so well for whatever reason.

chewmylegoff

The more the arguments develop the more Meh! I feel about the issues. On one hand I don't really believe that membership of the EU conveys enormous benefits the loss of which would transform us into an economic wreck, but on the other hand I am not particularly persuaded that there is anything to be gained from leaving. The cash cost of membership of the EU is about £150 a year each. So basically if we leave then it would have a similar impact on all of our lives to the TV licence fee being scrapped. Regulation of industry would still happen. Immigration would still be high (see the govt's inability to reduce immigration from non EU countries). I just don't think it would bring the benefits the out camp say. I find it hard to believe that returning some sovereignty from the EU to the UK would suddenly make all UK politicians much better and more able to solve all our problems for us - they haven't exactly demonstrated a particularly amazing ability to manage the things they are responsible for in recent times...

Basically, in the event of Brexit, my opinion is that life would be a bit like it is now but instead of blaming the EU for 85% of all that is wrong in the world and Piers Morgan for the other 15%, we would have to blame Piers Morgan for the lot.

mrginge

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Basically, in the event of Brexit, my opinion is that life would be a bit like it is now but instead of blaming the EU for 85% of all that is wrong in the world and Piers Morgan for the other 15%, we would have to blame Piers Morgan for the lot.

This is the best argument for leaving I have heard so far.

mwpt

chewmylegoff wrote: »

The more the arguments develop the more Meh! I feel about the issues. On one hand I don't really believe that membership of the EU conveys enormous benefits the loss of which would transform us into an economic wreck, but on the other hand I am not particularly persuaded that there is anything to be gained from leaving. The cash cost of membership of the EU is about £150 a year each. So basically if we leave then it would have a similar impact on all of our lives to the TV licence fee being scrapped. Regulation of industry would still happen. Immigration would still be high (see the govt's inability to reduce immigration from non EU countries). I just don't think it would bring the benefits the out camp say. I find it hard to believe that returning some sovereignty from the EU to the UK would suddenly make all UK politicians much better and more able to solve all our problems for us - they haven't exactly demonstrated a particularly amazing ability to manage the things they are responsible for in recent times...

Very close to my own view. I don't think it's possible to quantify accurately the benefits of being in or out and so doom stories about leaving don't resonate with me. But, life is pretty good in the EU so why would we go through all the disruption and potential downsides to change something that seems to work well?

I try not to cause offence but I've got to speak my mind. When I hear about people voting out it often sounds like they've just read the headlines of some sensationalist rag. They're focusing on some issues that they've been told affect them, without having previously being aware of this. This makes them almost non issues imo. I mean, bendy bananas, really? Has anyone, at all, ever walked into a shop and thought, wow, I wish there were some straight bananas here, before being aware of an EU directive about this?

And it's incredibly easy to discount all the positive effects of being in the EU because these just go on silently benefiting you, they never make headlines.

vivatifosi

chewmylegoff wrote: »

The more the arguments develop the more Meh! I feel about the issues. On one hand I don't really believe that membership of the EU conveys enormous benefits the loss of which would transform us into an economic wreck, but on the other hand I am not particularly persuaded that there is anything to be gained from leaving. The cash cost of membership of the EU is about £150 a year each. So basically if we leave then it would have a similar impact on all of our lives to the TV licence fee being scrapped. Regulation of industry would still happen. Immigration would still be high (see the govt's inability to reduce immigration from non EU countries). I just don't think it would bring the benefits the out camp say. I find it hard to believe that returning some sovereignty from the EU to the UK would suddenly make all UK politicians much better and more able to solve all our problems for us - they haven't exactly demonstrated a particularly amazing ability to manage the things they are responsible for in recent times...

Basically, in the event of Brexit, my opinion is that life would be a bit like it is now but instead of blaming the EU for 85% of all that is wrong in the world and Piers Morgan for the other 15%, we would have to blame Piers Morgan for the lot.

Excellent post which sums up how many people feel.

I'll be voting in, not as a massive europhile, but because I'm not convinced we will be better off out. We have one political party run by a lunatic who wants to give "Las Malvinas" back to Argentina rather than deal with the real issues, the other bunch is a load of braying idiots hell bent on implosion and infighting (actually, that probably describes both). To which we can add a clever and manipulative neo-Marxist who wants to give away everything in Scotland, in NI they are just about keeping the lid on another breakout of civil war. Oh, and then there's Nick Clegg. Whatever happened to him?

I have zero faith in any of this lot to be a safe hand on the tiller.

Meanwhile we have negotiated a fair deal in a Europe which will have to change a lot of things that we object to anyway... e.g. Schengen.

So yep, it's an in vote for me, but still not a flag waving, card carrying member of the EU.

wotsthat

Anyone changed their mind since this kicked off?

I haven't - I'm happy with the life I've had in the EU so will stick with with it. Wouldn't really welcome the uncertainty of leaving.

Mistermeaner

Last few posts pretty much match my thoughts. I'm in leaning in.

michaels

vivatifosi wrote: »

Excellent post which sums up how many people feel.

I'll be voting in, not as a massive europhile, but because I'm not convinced we will be better off out. We have one political party run by a lunatic who wants to give "Las Malvinas" back to Argentina rather than deal with the real issues, the other bunch is a load of braying idiots hell bent on implosion and infighting (actually, that probably describes both). To which we can add a clever and manipulative neo-Marxist who wants to give away everything in Scotland, in NI they are just about keeping the lid on another breakout of civil war. Oh, and then there's Nick Clegg. Whatever happened to him?

I have zero faith in any of this lot to be a safe hand on the tiller.

Meanwhile we have negotiated a fair deal in a Europe which will have to change a lot of things that we object to anyway... e.g. Schengen.

So yep, it's an in vote for me, but still not a flag waving, card carrying member of the EU.

Ouch - we don't do democracy very well so we are best off removing power from our hands and giving it to an elite of our betters? I find this very disappointing

vivatifosi

michaels wrote: »

Ouch - we don't do democracy very well so we are best off removing power from our hands and giving it to an elite of our betters? I find this very disappointing

Do you have faith that they can get us a better deal out than we have just negotiated in?

There are some in this debate who want out at all costs. There are others who want in at all costs. But for anyone in the middle ground, this is the area in which we have to make our minds up. And yes, it us pretty depressing. Both the in and out campaigns have had the opportunity express the benefits in a positive fashion, neither has. We have two out camps and I don't even know who the spokesperson for in is. It's all pretty carp and does nothing to restore my faith in politics.

ruggedtoast

If Britain votes Out it won't be due to a noble desire for self determination. It will be down to febrile xenophobia and little englander demagogues championed by Daily Mail brown shirt bullies.

This is not a country I want to wind up in in July.

In.