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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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Anecdotally, I encounter similar sorts of reactions in wider acquaintance group. I've actually been surprised at the amount of people who will be voting out. When queried why it is usually because of EU regulations negatively impacting them. But further pressing reveals they don't know specifics of this or have examples. I generally leave it at that point.
I really fear that we're on the verge of doing something stupid and the 'remain' campaign are being too blas! about dismissing these people's views as stupid and therefore irrelevant. They're *not* irrelevant, they will be voting, for all of our futures. Dismissing them is the worst thing to do as it merely entrenches their opinion to vote to leave.
isn't it equally true that the 'stay' people don't really know any specifics except the general feeling of security with the status quo.0 -
The comparison with Greece is to show that there are risks in every cause of action whether inside the EU or otherwise. I don't understand why you think greece being the euro makes any difference to the principle of balance of risk.
I want no advantages from the EU after brexit : simply for both sides to recognise the mutual benefits of free trade.
Democracy means that we the people of the UK can make our own laws via our parliament and kick the government out occasionally.
I have no wish to improve the functioning of the EU parliament or indeed its governance:
I wish to trade with the EU just as I wish to trade with the rest of the world without being part of their law making process. Plenty of further scope for co-operation on many other fronts without the EU determining our laws.
You may see democracy simply as a slogan, others see it worth dying for.
Greece has had to kowtow to the prevailing power base in the Eurozone, we don't have to do that. Greece did not have the fortitude to solve its own problems, we did.
We will not be equals if we try to ex-plain to the EU that we want the same benefits whcih we, as a current meber, enjoy. Is that not obvious.
On Democracy - no you are using it as a slogan, by not defining the exact problem you have with the EU and why the UK getting its own way all the time would be more democratic. I'd love that also, but in the European context accept that not everyone should be forced to drive on the left hand side of the road just because that is the way we would vote.
On the EU Parliament, I would scrap it in its current form, but that does not mean I think it non-democratic in the European Context.Union, not Disunion
I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
It's the only way to fly straight.0 -
No it's not true, there is a whole forest of documentation to describe it to you. Compare that with the jingoistic wishful thinking that is all the leave camp have to offer.isn't it equally true that the 'stay' people don't really know any specifics except the general feeling of security with the status quo.Union, not Disunion
I have a Right Wing and a Left Wing.
It's the only way to fly straight.0 -
isn't it equally true that the 'stay' people don't really know any specifics except the general feeling of security with the status quo.
Yes. By far I don't know all the positives that we gain from being in the EU.
All things being equal I don't think there are enough negatives to risk leaving. Certainly I couldn't name any material negatives that impact my life which don't also exist within a wider positive environment.0 -
Anecdotally, I encounter similar sorts of reactions in wider acquaintance group. I've actually been surprised at the amount of people who will be voting out. When queried why it is usually because of EU regulations negatively impacting them. But further pressing reveals they don't know specifics of this or have examples. I generally leave it at that point.
Ah I remember those halcyon days where every single person who voted in elections had a deep and thorough understanding of the detailed issues or policies they were voting on....
Actually, no I don't because those days never existed and never will.
The intellectual snobbery prevalent in many of the remain crowd is a real joy to behold.0 -
Greece has had to kowtow to the prevailing power base in the Eurozone, we don't have to do that. Greece did not have the fortitude to solve its own problems, we did.
We will not be equals if we try to ex-plain to the EU that we want the same benefits whcih we, as a current meber, enjoy. Is that not obvious.
On Democracy - no you are using it as a slogan, by not defining the exact problem you have with the EU and why the UK getting its own way all the time would be more democratic. I'd love that also, but in the European context accept that not everyone should be forced to drive on the left hand side of the road just because that is the way we would vote.
On the EU Parliament, I would scrap it in its current form, but that does not mean I think it non-democratic in the European Context.
The problem is that I want UK laws made by the UK parliament that I can directly vote to throw out.
What part of that don't you understand?0 -
Anecdotally, I encounter similar sorts of reactions in wider acquaintance group. I've actually been surprised at the amount of people who will be voting out. When queried why it is usually because of EU regulations negatively impacting them. But further pressing reveals they don't know specifics of this or have examples. I generally leave it at that point.
I really fear that we're on the verge of doing something stupid and the 'remain' campaign are being too blas! about dismissing these people's views as stupid and therefore irrelevant. They're *not* irrelevant, they will be voting, for all of our futures. Dismissing them is the worst thing to do as it merely entrenches their opinion to vote to leave.
if you believe this you should spend some time trying to convince them why you think they are wrong and a stay vote is in the national interest0 -
The problem is that I want UK laws made by the UK parliament that I can directly vote to throw out.
That's not what you'd have if we left the EU. You neither get a vote on UK laws, nor the UK parliament as a whole. You can vote for a member of that parliament to represent your interests though, just as you can vote for a member of the European parliament to represent your interest.If you think of it as 'us' verses 'them', then it's probably your side that are the villains.0
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