If we vote for Brexit what happens

bugslet

Generali wrote: »

The free market does pay your bills it's just that it isn't obvious.

I broadly understand that, it's just most drivers would like to earn £10.00 an hour rather than £7.50 and have the things that extra money can bring them. Try explaining that theory/fact at Lymm truckstop and see how well it goes down ;-)

cells wrote: »

Yes sadly immigration has more of an impact on some labour sectors than others but then again so does technology. In time (I think likely within 15-20 years) most the driving jobs will go to vehicles that drive themselves for $1 per hour and send that back to the corporate overlords in silicon valley

Thank heavens I'll be retired then!

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

what about the dumb ones that come here that you dont like so much

I know more than a few who now have PHDs and one who is a professor in a London university. Had they stayed in their poor countries they would likely be subsistence farmers and shepherds and the like.

Immigration for them vastly unskilled them and gave them opportunities not available in their native countries. Surely you can see the benefits to all of the human race in converting shepherds and rice growers into Actuaries Doctors Teachers and generally smarter and better people.

yes the free movement of people can indeed make the poor richer and will make the rich poorer.

I'm not sure a teacher is a 'better' person than a farmer but that's just your odd view.
most poor farmers don't become Ph.Ds but live on benefits instead

and talking of Pakistan, most of their foreign exchange has been use to buy foreign arms and develop nuclear weapons : another win win for the world and a fine example to 'prove' your point.


and I've forgotten now: do you support the immediate free movement of people with restrictions?

kabayiri

cells wrote: »

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Immigration for them vastly unskilled them and gave them opportunities not available in their native countries. Surely you can see the benefits to all of the human race in converting shepherds and rice growers into Actuaries Doctors Teachers and generally smarter and better people.

I thought we need immigrants to do the jobs the Brits are unwilling to do? These jobs aren't Doctors or Teachers, but bog cleaners and care home assistants and farm workers.

Make your mind up!

If you educated everyone to the level of being a Doctor or Teacher, all you end up with is a load of dissatisfied people moaning that there is too much oversupply of Doctors and Teachers...

It'd be an interesting experiment for sure. I'd love to be able to pay and get a doctor or teacher for less than a tenner per hour.

michaels

kabayiri wrote: »

I thought we need immigrants to do the jobs the Brits are unwilling to do? These jobs aren't Doctors or Teachers, but bog cleaners and care home assistants and farm workers.

The jobs that Brits aren't willing to do at current wage levels given the alternatives. Funnily enough even with no immigration the market would solve this problem.

Rinoa

Telegraph Poll has leave in the lead.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12193963/EU-referendum-Exclusive-Telegraph-poll-says-Leave-campaign-most-likely-to-win-in-June.html

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Telegraph Poll has leave in the lead.

Exclusive poll for The Telegraph shows that Out supporters are more motivated to win

More motivated? IMO, it's kind of similar to the Scot referendum. Much more noise from the out campaign and cities swamped with Saltires. But on the day of the vote, the silent majority came out.
I expect the same on the EU vote.

michaels

mayonnaise wrote: »

More motivated? IMO, it's kind of similar to the Scot referendum. Much more noise from the out campaign and cities swamped with Saltires. But on the day of the vote, the silent majority came out.
I expect the same on the EU vote.

Haven't seen a single Saltire yet....

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

More motivated? IMO, it's kind of similar to the Scot referendum. Much more noise from the out campaign and cities swamped with Saltires. But on the day of the vote, the silent majority came out.
I expect the same on the EU vote.

Likewise, will the EU/Remain team panic in the run up to the referendum and offer a hastily thought out Vow?

After all, it has worked so well to quell any disquiet in Scotland hasn't it?

ruggedtoast

Millennial stand against the boomers BREXIT plans:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/15/europe-debate-millennials-in-eu-britain-students#comment-70617932

Savvy younger people have the nous to know their future lies in collaboration, not in isolationism.

Meanwhile on the one hand boomers want to tell us that life was hell on earth when they were young and we don't know we are born, and that we should vote ourselves back to it.

Mixed messages much?

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

More motivated? IMO, it's kind of similar to the Scot referendum. Much more noise from the out campaign and cities swamped with Saltires. But on the day of the vote, the silent majority came out.
I expect the same on the EU vote.

No. Not similar to the Scot referendum.

Yes never got anywhere near the current leave polls.