If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

Guy Verhofstadt, EU Parliament Brexit negotiator appointed by Jean-Claude Juncker, writes in tomorrows Observer.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guy-verhofstadt-theresa-power-grab-general-election-8-june-brexit-european-parliament-a7697086.html

He basically slags off the UK govt. for calling the election, claiming it to be an 'opportunist power grab' and pours scorn on the UK's negotiating position.

The EU seem to be going out of their way to antagonise at every opportunity. What happened to diplomacy?

vivatifosi

Rinoa wrote: »

Guy Verhofstadt, EU Parliament Brexit negotiator appointed by Jean-Claude Juncker, writes in tomorrows Observer.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guy-verhofstadt-theresa-power-grab-general-election-8-june-brexit-european-parliament-a7697086.html

He basically slags off the UK govt. for calling the election, claiming it to be an 'opportunist power grab' and pours scorn on the UK's negotiating position.

The EU seem to be going out of their way to antagonise at every opportunity. What happened to diplomacy?

As one of the 48% who voted remain , I'm pretty fed up with the extent go which the EU is indicating that it wants to screw the 16m of us who tried to support them over.

16m is more than the population of all but a handful of EU countries.

Quasar

It's all posturing. Theresa May blows the hard-brexit horn, the EU blow the scorn horn. It will all become softer when the true business of negotiating gets underway, as it is in both sides' interests to be accommodating to the other.

vivatifosi

I hope so Q. I'm a bit fed up with people on both sides behaving like they have yet to leave primary school. I expect better.

wotsthat

vivatifosi wrote: »

As one of the 48% who voted remain , I'm pretty fed up with the extent go which the EU is indicating that it wants to screw the 16m of us who tried to support them over.

16m is more than the population of all but a handful of EU countries.

Adversarial political system that's all.

It's not personal although we should be aware the EU are now acting in the best interests of the EU. They owe remain voters as much as they owe the people of Madagascar.

Thrugelmir

Quasar wrote: »

It's all posturing. Theresa May blows the hard-brexit horn, the EU blow the scorn horn.

An unelected official in Brussels should keep his political views to himself. In the same way that our Civil Service does in the lead up to elections. Being partisan merely stokes ill feelings. Not just now but for the future.

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

An unelected official in Brussels should keep his political views to himself. In the same way that our Civil Service does in the lead up to elections. Being partisan merely stokes ill feelings. Not just now but for the future.

Verhofstadt has been appointed because he is partisan. He and David Davis haven't been employed because they're sanguine on how Brexit turns out.

vivatifosi

wotsthat wrote: »

Adversarial political system that's all.

It's not personal although we should be aware the EU are now acting in the best interests of the EU. They owe remain voters as much as they owe the people of Madagascar.

That's as maybe but these are the same people that not that long ago said that they could offer citizenship to remainers. If they keep blowing hot and cold and we end up with a bad deal, I can see a lot of people selectively boycotting European goods. That would hurt the EU more than any action by Madagascar.

It's obvious that we should be good neighbours. That we are next door neighbours should be enough seal that, not political posturing.

wotsthat

vivatifosi wrote: »

That's as maybe but these are the same people that not that long ago said that they could offer citizenship to remainers. If they keep blowing hot and cold and we end up with a bad deal, I can see a lot of people selectively boycotting European goods. That would hurt the EU more than any action by Madagascar.

Actually it was Verhofstadt himself that said that. Then again May attempting a land grab, the UK's negotiating position being a joke and EU citizenship being on the cards could all be true statements.

I've been boycotting Argentinian wine for years. We're paying millions to defend the Falklands yet pumping money into the Argentinian economy. What's that about?

Unfortunately the UK consumer's best intentions don't survive the first signs of inconvenience and when there's a good value Malbec on offer at the Co-op forget it.

vivatifosi wrote: »

It's obvious that we should be good neighbours. That we are next door neighbours should be enough seal that, not political posturing.

It takes the best of negotiators to realise the best deals are those that work for both sides, We don't have the best of negotiators.

davomcdave

vivatifosi wrote: »

I hope so Q. I'm a bit fed up with people on both sides behaving like they have yet to leave primary school. I expect better.

This is playing out exactly as I expected it would. Car crash Brexit is what's going to happen. If you apply WTO rules to imports then the UK's supply chains which are completely interwoven with the single market are FUBAR'd and the financial sector is badly wounded.

You heard it here first.