If we vote for Brexit what happens

Quasar

No doubt fake news? :think:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/donald-trump-reveals-eu-trade-deal-more-important-to-us-than-deal-with-britain-after-brexit-a3521051.html
and
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-britain-back-queue-trade-deal-eu-angela-merkel-brexit-a7696376.html
and
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-europe-idUSKBN17O07Z

Where is Conrad when you need his endearing, pollyanna-ish optimism?

Herzlos

davomcdave wrote: »

Immigrants are visible in the community: they speak a different language, eat different foods and worship a different God or maybe the same one in a different way.

Only the ones that don't look/sound like us. I work with a few EU immigrants and you wouldn't know unless you asked them.

lisyloo wrote: »

No, because those of us who live in a melting pot are likely to have greater experience of the contribution immigrants make to our environment at all levels (from cleaners to hospital consultants).

That was my assumption too - those that have more experience of immigration and immigrants are less likely to be scared of it / believe the BS coming from the papers about migrants.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Simple answer?

We have a General Election here in the UK soon.
The meeja must grab absolutely every possible opportunity to promote the kind of "Project Fear" campaign they attempted during the referendum campaign to sway the voting intentions of as many sheeple as possible.

Ignoring completely the fact that these tactics did not work well then and are unlikely to work now either.

It's supply and demand. Humans like to hear news that confirms their own point of view. The media compete to supply this news.

Think the Telegraph is pro-Brexit and the Guardian anti? True to an extent but it's more correct to think they're targeting different customer bases i.e. you buy your media to have your bias confirmed rather than challenged.

Of course another simple answer could be that the news is true and Mr. Trump would prioritise a deal with the EU over the UK.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Four very important words surrounding the Trump/EU news circulating:

it has been claimed.

Now I'm not suggesting for definite that this is yet another fabrication and we know that Trump can change his mind with the wind.
But read the original article and decipher it yourselves.

During a private conversation last month ........... sources close to both sides of the discussion told The Times.

Cecilia Malmström, the EU’s trade commissioner, will visit Washington next week for informal talks with Wilbur Ross, the US commerce secretary, and other Trump officials. The EU and Mrs Malmström are keen not to appear to plead for the reopening of TTIP negotiations but will discuss the “economic and strategic rationale” for a deal if the American side does the same.

Like I say above, I really am not just trying to suggest that this is purely a fabrication.
But it hardly appears definitive to me.

Quasar

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Four very important words surrounding the Trump/EU news circulating:


Now I'm not suggesting for definite that this is yet another fabrication and we know that Trump can change his mind with the wind.
But read the original article and decipher it yourselves.
Like I say above, I really am not just trying to suggest that this is purely a fabrication.
But it hardly appears definitive to me.

Of course it's not definitive. After all it is a really, really hard choice between a market of some 450m potential customers, and one of 65m potential customers. Any economist, businessman, corporation and bank would be scratching their head trying to figure out which would be more advantageous to deal with.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Quasar wrote: »

Of course it's not definitive. After all it is a really, really hard choice between a market of some 450m potential customers, and one of 65m potential customers. Any economist, businessman, corporation and bank would be scratching their head trying to figure out which would be more advantageous to deal with.

As I said before, you may (just may, mind) be right.
Just one point though.
Since when has logic and Trump gone hand-in-hand?

Quasar

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

As I said before, you may (just may, mind) be right.
Just one point though.
Since when has logic and Trump gone hand-in-hand?

Never, so far. But whatever he does, he won't be deciding on his own. The US machine will see to that. He can wave his weapons about, but comes to hard economics decisions he will be made to listen. And the $270bn or so deals the US already has with the EU puts the $55bn deals with the UK into proper perspective. I very much doubt Trump, for all his childishness, cannot tell the difference between two sets of figures.

Still, like you say it's all to be seen yet. However, brexit is beginning to look less and less the glorious separation that it was supposed to be. Hopefully the UK will strike lucrative deals elsewhere, or even with the US itself, after the EU has taken its slice.

BobQ

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

As I said before, you may (just may, mind) be right.
Just one point though.
Since when has logic and Trump gone hand-in-hand?

So you are appealing to luck on this matter?

The fact is that if the deal suits the US and the EU it will be signed and the same applies to a US/UK deal. Who says that they will not agree two deals at the same time or one before the other. They are not mutually exclusive.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

BobQ wrote: »

So you are appealing to luck on this matter?
Where on earth do you get that from?

The fact is that if the deal suits the US and the EU it will be signed and the same applies to a US/UK deal. Who says that they will not agree two deals at the same time or one before the other. They are not mutually exclusive.

Agreed (apart from the above highlighted in red).


But rather than place my faith in second/third/even fourth-hand "he said he says" type speculation in media, until confirmed I will rely on fact.
Like this from Hon Paul Ryan himself, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, speaking at Policy Exchange in London this Wednesday:

This is one of the bipartisan messages I bring with me: that the United States stands ready to forge a new trade agreement with Great Britain as soon as possible, so that we may further tap into the great potential between our people.

https://policyexchange.org.uk/event/hon-paul-ryan-speaker-of-the-us-house-of-representatives/

wotsthat

from the link..

“the United States will continue to work closely with our EU friends, and chart a path forward on TTIP negotiations”

Is it me? Why does it matter if TTIP is dead or not?