If we vote for Brexit what happens

vivatifosi

Interesting article about strawberry growing in the UK. Season has gone from six weeks to twenty, with virtually all in season strawbs coming from the UK. Out of season they come from Spain, but also countries outside of the EU such as Morocco, Egypt and Israel:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18490749

Its a bit old, but shows a lot are from outside EU.

Conrad

davomcdave wrote: »

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Generally the harvest was brought in by poorly paid urban workers who spent their annual holidays living in tents and picking whatever it was needed to be picked.


Listen to LBC - lots of Brits calling in to say they've applied for this work but been turned away - one gave the example of a Kent wine producer funnily enough


Brits DO THOSE JOBS WHEN TRAVELLING ABROAD, I know them!


Brits will do these jobs its utter cloud cuckoo 'progressive' council of despair to say they wont. Pay fairly, treat staff well and the work will be done.


Brits cannot compete with 12 to a house (caravan) cash in hand Bulgarians, and nor should they have to


Pay a bit more for your groceries, have a happier more cohesive society


So let's imagine that there is this group of unemployed or underemployed British working class


1.5 million unemployed last time I looked - its simply not good enough that they get paid benefits without responsibility. They must work. I don't care how 'tricky' that might be.




We can tell exactly how competitive British farming is at present by the vast amounts of food imported each year.


Again the council of despair. Why not remove energy taxes on market gardening and become more self sufficient? Brexit makes us think a bit harder.


Paying out more in wages isn't going to make British farming more competitive


Higher wages and more dignity in society benefits us all. We're obese so we eat far too much anyway - cut back a bit, but pay a little more for your food to benefit workers



I suppose you could import your strawberries from India or Canada.


LED underground farms are springing up in the UK - lets put our heads together to help this - again reduce energy taxes for some etc

Sorry I don't share all this resigned doom that things are the way they are.

Conrad

vivatifosi wrote: »

Its a bit old, but shows a lot are from outside EU.

As an independent nation we can choose to trade with non EU nations with low or zero tariffs. Another key benefit pointed out long ago.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Conrad wrote: »

Yes I agree with you it's been in our control, however, having FOM was a great excuse to do nothing.

Good grief - and you accuse us of a 'counsel of despair'....

So our very own Tory politicians are so useless they'll take any excuse to "do nothing" eh?

You seem to be highly confused on this topic - I live in an area with less than 2% unemployment - when are all the legions of Liverpudlians going to come marching up the road looking for jobs?

Once that's removed (and yes it will be significantly curtailed), voters have far better leverage over UK politicians to deliver on getting lots of the unemployed off their bums.

Really? What 'better leverage' will voters have?

Furthermore, wages should rise when labour is constrained some,

Wages will not rise - immigration has increased wages on average for most people - and wages at the bottom have risen faster than inflation since the minimum wage was introduced.

I expect total immigration to be bought well down, if not, heads will roll - voters will not in future think the EU is to blame - its clear cut

There's zero chance of bringing immigration down to Cameron's discredited target of tens of thousands a year. Not a hope in hell.

The country needs significant ongoing immigration and even the leading Tories like Davis and Rudd have now admitted it.

Even Theresa May admitted today that free movement is likely to continue for some time....

davomcdave

Conrad wrote: »

Sorry I don't share all this resigned doom that things are the way they are.

You don't seem to believe in simple bookkeeping either.

If you put up the costs across an industry then the companies that were making a small profit will go bust unless they are sheltered from competition. You have already stated that you want Brexit to put up costs for British farmers so you want British farmers to go bust.

You are entitled to your opinion of course but I don't see how Britain becomes a better place by sending farmers bankrupt.

If tariffs are set high enough then I guess your idea of expensive solutions would work but it would mean much higher prices for households' food. In that case great, I guess at least. Instead of cheap Italian tomatoes we dig big holes in the ground in which to grow expensive British ones. I mean that doesn't seem like a great solution to me but hey, British tomatoes, wooooo!

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You seem to be highly confused on this topic - I live in an area with less than 2% unemployment - when are all the legions of Liverpudlians going to come marching up the road looking for jobs?


Err when we do away with wanton welfare culture, you know that impossible thing we managed lets say in 1970 when the welfare system was a safety net, managed in a sceptical manner.


Politicians have nowhere to hide - no EU to blame, it's up to them now to provide the workforce, train it and insist it works.



wages at the bottom have risen faster than inflation since the minimum wage was introduced.


wages to include all important self employed incomes have been held back lower than otherwise would have been the case - see it all the time in the flesh - you stick to reports written by some drip from the hand wringer Joseph Rowntree 'benefits' Foundation



There's zero chance of bringing immigration down to Cameron's discredited target of tens of thousands a year. Not a hope in hell.


How do other nations like Japan manage? Still a very prosperous nation and still a functioning state pensions scheme (auto enrolment = people building their own pensions nothing to do with immigration)

The country needs significant ongoing immigration and even the leading Tories like Davis and Rudd have now admitted it.


I prefer other assessments of tens of thousands. As ever you ignore training our own citizens in the way we used to manage pre Blair

Even Theresa May admitted today that free movement is likely to continue for some time....


I didn't doubt it would, I'm interested in trajectory and direction, not sudden magic wand waving

Cheers.........

davomcdave

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

There's zero chance of bringing immigration down to Cameron's discredited target of tens of thousands a year. Not a hope in hell.

The country needs significant ongoing immigration and even the leading Tories like Davis and Rudd have now admitted it.

Even Theresa May admitted today that free movement is likely to continue for some time....

I thought that Brexit meant using the Australian model of immigration. That will mean a lot more immigrants. TBH, given the weather and all the shouting about immigrants I can't imagine that will be an easy target to achieve.

I don't know if this has any relevance to Britain but in Australia Australians don't pick fruit, they use foreigners for the most part. Oh and local drunks that can't get proper jobs a little bit too. Plus the children of farmers but that's mostly when the farmers have upset the backpackers so much they've walked the 30kms into town to get the bus back to Wagga.

Those foreigners sometimes even earn the minimum wage but because they're backpackers or from poor countries they don't seem to mind very much. If they do complain it's mostly in a foreign language or quite a long way from the nearest city so Australians don't seem to mind either.

TrickyTree83

davomcdave wrote: »

I thought that Brexit meant using the Australian model of immigration. That will mean a lot more immigrants.

Does it?

Is that what people refer to when they talk about the Aussie system?

No.

Come on davomcdave, you're usually better than that.

Conrad

davomcdave wrote: »

You have already stated that you want Brexit to put up costs for British farmers so you want British farmers to go bust.


Fair wages wont send many under. Certainly in my area farmers are extremely wealthy, most now routinely selling off land for development / building small business units to let out - 50 at a time


Brexit in part was a call from the left behind. I dislike a society that expects some to work for a derisory wage


Consumers will pay a bit more for food - we're too fat anyway,


Other measures such as making market gardening energy tax exempt will help


I guess at least. Instead of cheap Italian tomatoes we dig big holes in the ground in which to grow expensive British ones.


Indoor farming under LED lighting is taking off, have a look into it. We can import from Ghana which had a thriving tomatoe industry until the EU Protection racket Italian Tomato industry drove it out of business


Global trade with such places gives us new opportunity

I like change, embrace it, find new realities, don't bob along like a mindless jellyfish on a Brussels tide


Time to replace Remoaning with inventiveness


Empire 2 awaits

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

I have no problem with the word 'project', but it's meaningless. I would have thought a better measure of inward investment would be actual Sterling value, don't you agree?

So, instead of tapping "India third biggest inward investor in the UK" in your Google and pasting links which once more refer to 'projects' why don't you produce a link to some kind of stat or report which places India 3rd place with regards to inward investment.

Cheers.

*sigh*
Oh dear.
AGAIN?
Okay.
From gov.uk itself.

Published September 2nd 2016.

India emerges as the 2nd largest international job creator in UK and the 3rd largest investor overall.

https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/uk-still-europes-top-investment-destination-with-help-from-india

Feel free to wade through the report from our Government's official Department for Trade: "International Investment Results For 2015 to 2016" which IS enclosed in that link and see if you can then argue with this official Government stance yourself?
It contains much in the way of figures to keep you amused.

I look forward to seeing you disagree with this official report with interest.
Though your previous standards regarding comprehension provide little expectation.