If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

BobQ wrote: »

Had the vote gone the other way (to remain) would you have accepted that this meant people voted for increasing political integration with the EU? Of course not!
We did before.
1973 - then voted in 1975.
What we are witnessing in the UK is that anyone who refuses to accept a hard Brexit is demonised as undemocratic. Well I must accept the vote but I do not have to like the disintegration of the UK or the view that " leave means whatever I tell you it means".
On here much of what we see is a small number of vehement pro-EU protagonists intent upon spoiling what could otherwise be sensible debate. With little more than "you're wrong" with no evidence so far upon which to base their argument.

Right now I am being forced to accept that May and Davis have a clear plan that will see us amicably leave the EU. Well I do not believe it.
You're quite entitled not to believe it.
You are quite entitled to debate the matter in these forums.
Your entitlement would however become questionable should you use ignorance and lies, pretending these were instead debate.
As others in here do.
Frequently.

We are told that millions voted against Brexit.
There are supposedly many thousands of active members in these forums.
Fortunately so few remain who are obviously so vehemently opposed to the will of the voting majority of the British people.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

setmefree2 wrote: »

The Spanish are such hypocrites. I wonder when they will give Ceuta back to Morocco?

Don't worry, it's only Shakey "stirring" as usual.

Let's respond with something like "the peoples of Gibraltar must have their own referendum upon this matter since they should not be held to ransom by Spain".
OR:

'Gibraltar is British, and it is going to stay British forever'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/gibraltar-is-british-and-it-is-going-to-stay-british-forever-the-rocks-chief-minister-hits-back-at-10480139.html

setmefree2

imho more good news

UK house prices in first monthly fall for 20 months

Average house prices across the UK fell by 0.3% in the month of March, according to the Nationwide, the first fall since June 2015.
Although monthly figures can be very volatile, it is the largest such fall for nearly five years.

showed that on the more reliable annual comparison, house prices were up 3.5% in March from a year earlier

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39452238

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

A few points only responded to and highlighted for you in red above.
The so-far positive outlook regarding Brexit obviously causes you great distress.
Instead of a blinkered approach perhaps try looking at fact and also perhaps try weighing up probabilities?

The fact is, Sir, that you have pranced, you have puffed your chest out, you have said "yeah but no but yeah" and dodged each and every issue in order to indulge your fantasy wonderland of a UKIP Brexit.

But we are not in UKIP Wonderland my friend - we are in the abandoning our biggest market and hoping we have two of our smallest to fall back on Badlands.

setmefree2

Hundreds of Dutch firms vulnerable to Brexit, some will fail

Brexit has made hundreds of Dutch companies vulnerable and some will fail as a result of Britain pulling out of the EU, according to trade insurer Euler Hermes. Euler Hermes said demand would fall and investments will be stalled as a result of Brexit, news website Nu.nl reported. A decline in sales because of an unfavourable sterling/euro exchange rate will also play a role.

A good relationship with Britain is far more important for the Netherlands than it is for most other EU countries, the report said. ‘The Netherlands must prepare itself for considerable damage from Brexit. There is a good chance that the unfavourable aspects will be larger than anticipated,’ Euler Hermes said. The company said the effects will be evident by the end of 2017. The Dutch business sector earlier warned that Brexit will cost jobs. Employers organisations VNO-NCW and MKB-Nederland say that trade with Britain is worth billions of euros and at least 200,000 jobs.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/hundreds-of-dutch-firms-vulnerable-to-brexit-some-will-fail/

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Don't worry, it's only Shakey "stirring" as usual.

Let's respond with something like "the peoples of Gibraltar must have their own referendum upon this matter since they should not be held to ransom by Spain".
OR:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/gibraltar-is-british-and-it-is-going-to-stay-british-forever-the-rocks-chief-minister-hits-back-at-10480139.html

I'm not stirring. It's all over all the major news networks.

Brexit guidelines: EU hands Spain power over Gibraltar's future

The move will inflame centuries-old tensions between the UK and Spain over who should have sovereignty over the British territory.

Unless Theresa May is prepared to sacrifice the future of Gibraltar's 30,000 inhabitants to secure a good deal for the rest of the UK then she could have to make concessions to Spain.
It hands Spain, which has long held ambitions to reclaim sovereignty of the territory, significant power over Gibraltar's future.

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-guidelines-eu-hands-spain-power-over-gibraltars-future-10819502

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Ok, fine.

Answer this then. What happens if it goes wrong and the Tories lose their majority in the middle of a transition deal to 2 or 3 pro-EU parties, who want back in at a minimum to the single market(even though it's looking increasingly likely we won't have left it at that point)?

Not saying it will happen, however I am saying that with a new government being elected in 2020 and a transition deal lasting until 2022, it's very possible.

I also note the government haven't said no.

Oh, and please none of the 'it won't happen, it'll be fine', genuine 'what if' question.

There will be another general election where everything will be up for grabs. You know that all is not lost for Remain voters like yourself CK?
You are lucky enough to live in one of the worlds great democracies.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

Here's that Spanish veto we've all been waiting for... Only it's got nothing to do with Scotland.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/31/outrage-spain-given-effective-veto-future-gibraltar-eu-plans/#

Don't worry Shakey..... the Gibraltar problem with Spain will be resolved pretty easily.

HMG will just satisfy the Spanish by giving away huge fishing rights around Scotland to the EU. Simples!

WR

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Ok, fine.

Answer this then. What happens if it goes wrong and the Tories lose their majority in the middle of a transition deal to 2 or 3 pro-EU parties, who want back in at a minimum to the single market(even though it's looking increasingly likely we won't have left it at that point)?

Not saying it will happen, however I am saying that with a new government being elected in 2020 and a transition deal lasting until 2022, it's very possible.

I also note the government haven't said no.

Oh, and please none of the 'it won't happen, it'll be fine', genuine 'what if' question.

Tell us what the EU itself will look like in 2022. Idle speculation is pointless. You can only worry about tomorrow and deal with the future when the time arrives.

Thought you were leaving the country though?

kabayiri

When the history books record this Brexit event, I wonder how they will describe the to-ing and fro-ing early in the negotiations.

It's just posturing. Politicians wanting to look like they are in control.

The real negotiations might be far more fluid; a few wrong turns; a few blind alleys; a lot of compromise; and in the end a lot of spin regards the result.