If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

We are still an EU member.

Re-read my post I'm talking about our future outwith the EU, you know the subject of the upcoming negotiations!

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I don't know if you actually noticed or not, as it seems not, but we are still an EU member.

It may be why.

Read again, I was talking in future tense.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

China is a rapidly growing market with a fast growing middle class, hence why huge growth in smart phones.


In any event China is one of many nations we will be free to trade with as we see fit on our terms with no Brussels interference and before you mention Germany, it makes a loss on it's China trade and the level of trade is still low.


I don't know why you cannot sense the huge opportunities ahead, whilst making a slight adjustment to our EU trade.

The Chinese government might have an issue with the idea that the UK can trade on her own terms as she sees fit with China.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

You CBA to add much to this debate apart from conjecture and shilly shallying about two countries of which your direct experience amounts to the sum total of nothing.
I refuse to detail my personal experience of China with you or anyone else on here, other than to say that I suspect it may be far greater than yours. India I have no direct experience of; would you care to detail your direct experiences of either?
Although neither is really relevant.
Because we are talking of opportunities.
I have not yet visited a new supermarket recently opened locally.
But I know the opportunity exists for the purchase of much with the potential to delight.

We were talking about selling to China and India and you come back with tourism. Yes of course tourist spend is up - thanks to the colossal recklessness of Brexit the pound has had 1/4 of its value wiped out against the Yuan, so the 4% of Chinese people who are allowed to leave China by their own government can spend more.
No, I included both property and investment as two further examples.
Why do you ignore them?
Why do you also ignore that these 4% of Chinese people allowed to leave China (i.e. for tourism) will increase to 12% within the next decade according to Goldman Sachs.
That is a three-fold increase in under ten years.

Some points are made about China and India being systemically closed markets - accounting for why both combined barely totals 5% of our current exports - to which you respond with - abuse.
Look at your comments.
It is easy to see just from whom the abuse comes; YOU.
You yet again ignore the relevant parts, particularly those relating to (yes, this word again) potential.

Being an angry Pollyanna will only get you so far in the world. Sadly.
That applies far more to you than to me.
As said to you before in this very thread.

It seems to have got you about as far as you are going to get in this debate.
Oh dear.
Circumspice.

A few points only responded to and highlighted for you in red above.
The so-far positive outlook regarding Brexit obviously causes you great distress.
Instead of a blinkered approach perhaps try looking at fact and also perhaps try weighing up probabilities?

setmefree2

What a post-Brexit free trade deal between the US and UK could mean for London

http://www.cityam.com/262054/post-brexit-free-trade-deal-between-us-and-uk-could-mean

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Read again, I was talking in future tense.

You're probably right, if we can maintain freedom of movement. But I thought scrapping FoM was the whole point.

Even with that you're not going to be able to overcome the logistics and time zones that interfere with working with China (and to a lesser extent, India). A 12+ flight makes popping over there for a meeting an utter nuisnace, and being 7 hours out doesn't make scheduling phone meetings difficult much better. Only leaves you about an hour in a standard business day when you're both in the office at the same time.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

You're probably right, if we can maintain freedom of movement. But I thought scrapping FoM was the whole point.

Even with that you're not going to be able to overcome the logistics and time zones that interfere with working with China (and to a lesser extent, India). A 12+ flight makes popping over there for a meeting an utter nuisnace, and being 7 hours out doesn't make scheduling phone meetings difficult much better. Only leaves you about an hour in a standard business day when you're both in the office at the same time.

Again to clarify, our ability to trade with Europe will not be meaningfully affected, so we will still go there and trade - AND have better ability to trade globally.


People trade, bureaucrats do not, and to remind folks again, we trade in huge quantity with the USE with no trade deal whatsoever. Trade finds a way


All the hysteria over an adjustment to a trade deal (UK - EU) really is completely misplaced

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

You're probably right, if we can maintain freedom of movement. But I thought scrapping FoM was the whole point.

Even with that you're not going to be able to overcome the logistics and time zones that interfere with working with China (and to a lesser extent, India). A 12+ flight makes popping over there for a meeting an utter nuisnace, and being 7 hours out doesn't make scheduling phone meetings difficult much better. Only leaves you about an hour in a standard business day when you're both in the office at the same time.

And yet strangely these things are managed every single day.
Weird, huh?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Another - this from Switzerland:

Switzerland aims to reach quick agreements on trade and other matters with Britain following its divorce from the European Union, the Swiss government said on Friday after top trade officials met.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-britain-idUKKBN1721KT?il=0

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Eurozone change?

Britain's pending departure from the European Union has reignited the debate on how to reinvigorate the bloc and make the euro zone stronger and more sustainable, despite different views held by France and Germany.
European Commission Vice President Jyrki Katainen said his political family, the powerful European People's Party (EPP) that includes German Chancellor Angela Merkel, was ready to consider funding investment to weak members of the euro zone.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-integration-idUKKBN1720TF?il=0

Just don't ask who will fund these "weak members".