If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

It's starting to look like we really should just walk away - I think only then will the EU suddenly come up with a deal.

We're not trying to buy a used car from them :mad:

If we walk away, then what deal will they need to offer us? Standard EU access?

Conrad

This part of the opening EU position caught my eye;


It suggests the model for the future could be a form of associate membership, currently enjoyed by Ukraine.


Ukraine is granted substantial market access under its deal but it is not subservient to EU law or the European court of justice.
Neither does the arrangement require the observance of free movement rules and it allows Ukraine to negotiate its own free trade deals.


However, it would require “a substantial payment” to the EU budget by the Treasury, potentially as much as half of as much as it pays today, according to a recent study of this model by the Centre for European Policy Studies thinktank.



The association deal with Ukraine also allows collaboration on foreign and defence policy and on fighting crime and terrorism. *

* As I pointed out, we wont be floating away into the Atlantic and unable to co-operate across borders, Mr Clegg

Filo25

Is that the moving of goalposts I see already?

In the run-up to the referendum good old "Remoaners" like me were told we would get a great EU deal as they needed us more than we needed them.

Many of us silly old Remoaners also pointed out that we fully expected the EU to get the blame from the more enthusiastic Brexiteers if such a deal didn't materialise.

You could at least wait until the final deal becomes apparent before becoming starting down that path.

To all the politicians who supported Brexit, you promised people the world, you won, now get on with delivering it.

We all need you to make a success of this somehow, no matter how likely we think that is to happen at present.

Herzlos

Something like that could certainly work. I thought not paying them a penny was a red line not to be crossed?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

I see the EC just torpedoed the LSE Deutsche Borse merger, strategically timed to coincide with May's Article 50 signing.

With the pound so weak, and shareholders expecting a payday, the LSE won't be able to fend off the NASDAQ now - leaving Germany in charge of its own trading platform while yet another iconic British company rolls over to the Americans.

Quite clever really,

You're very late with that - as well as being very wrong, yet again.
This is becoming a habit.

FYI the LSE rejected Deutsche Boerse's planned merger on 27th February this year because of EU demands to sell of the Italian trading arm; this was widely commented-upon in this thread.
Here's just one link though:
http://www.bnn.ca/lse-dashes-deutsche-boerse-merger-hopes-by-rejecting-eu-demand-1.681913



BTW, the LSE has not collapsed in the month following that news.
In fact this is supposedly the fifth attempt at merger:

The European Commission said the fifth attempt, three public and two informal, by the companies to merge would have created a de facto monopoly in the markets for clearing fixed income instruments.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/29/deutsche-boerse-lse-merger-plans-rejected-by-eu-regulators.html

Keep on trying to talk down the UK in your various failed ways though; correcting your errors and misconceptions is becoming an increasingly amusing distraction.

Filo25

Herzlos wrote: »

Something like that could certainly work. I thought not paying them a penny was a red line not to be crossed?

Who knows how much of a Red Line, the redlines on either side are, Theresa May certainly hasn't been averse to a U&-turn or 2 in her brief time in power.

A good piece in today's FT on Brexit today.

https://www.ft.com/content/26e3f816-12c8-11e7-b0c1-37e417ee6c76

Conrad

9.35 this morning, LBC interviewed the Remain CEO of UK Manufacturing and Technology Association.


He said 90% of members voted Remain.


However to everyone's surprise his members are very positive about business and most are reporting NEW AND UNFORSEEN OPPORTUNITIES EMMERGING.




He explained how lots of large firms are investing heavily in UK including McLaren, Dyson, Toyota and UBS

BBC reporting from Midlands last night interviewed Remain businessmen saying the same thing - they are booming

FTSE 250 is riding high, this is the investors sentiment barometer. The markets have priced-in us falling back on WTO!!!!!!!!!

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Something like that could certainly work. I thought not paying them a penny was a red line not to be crossed?

I wont say I told you so, but right from the start I said we'd likely have to carry on paying something. I don't have a problem as long as it is proportionate and nothing like the £8-9bn pa now

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Another one asking for moderation; the Italian foreign minister this time, as reported in Italy:

Italian foreign minister Angelino Alfano said Wednesday that serious negotiations must be held on Great Britain's leaving of the European Union, but that "the approach must not be to punish London".

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2017/03/29/italian-foreign-min-calls-for-non-punitive-brexit-talks_a3591619-8ec5-40a2-a350-ea2e88aa54c7.html

Mortgagefreeman

mayonnaise wrote: »

I accept the result and will move on.