If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mrginge wrote: »

Sorry jock, you appear to have quoted the wrong post.

Aww.
You mean Mayo is not worthy?

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

Of course it is national governments. The EU is just a centralised mouthpiece.

You seriously believe that Germany would sit back and allow the EU to pursue a high minded principle which might undermine their multi-billion Euro car market?

Tell me what has had the greater impact on the refugee crisis. The EU declarations, or the unilateral invite by Merkel. It is pretty clear that she has no problem intervening when she sees fit.

So, on the one hand the EU is a undemocratic monolith steamrollering national interests, and on the other it's of no consequence to national governments who can ignore it as they see fit?

Firstly the EU has no influence at all over what any member state chooses to do with the immigration status of non EU nationals. So I'm not clear where or how Merkel intervened.

To address your other point. I'm not really sure. What does Germany want more, the remaining 27 member state of the EU to remain moving toward ever closer union. Or a sweet deal for the motor trade?

It's possible Merkel may intervene and I'm sure her voice would carry a good deal of influence. But we don't know what her red lines are, and all the remaining member states have to sign off on an eventual deal.

BobQ

Spidernick wrote: »

David Dimbleby owned the show.

Be serious Suzanne James brought the house down - all that screaming........

Actually it was a good debate. Davis did well but he was a little embarrassed by Clegg reminding him of some of his pre-referendum quotes But the same arguments were exposed. The hard-Brexit views of the right, the soft-Brexit views of the centre and Davis trying to steer a middle way, much like Cabinet I imagine.

Thrugelmir

Arklight wrote: »

To address your other point. I'm not really sure. What does Germany want more, the remaining 27 member state of the EU to remain moving toward ever closer union. Or a sweet deal for the motor trade?

Both. Given it's financial importance to the project. Germany both has a powerful voice and considerable influence. Nor will it be all 27 in unity.

As for the motor trade. BMW owns Mini and Volkswagen Rolls Royce. Global companies have feet in both camps. Not the in or out many suggest. Majority of high value UK exporters are actually foreign owned.

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Brexit fears mount in Spain
Maintaining the UK’s relationship with the single market is a top priority for Spanish fruit and vegetable exporters, according to Fepex.
“Fepex considers it a priority to continue with a single market without borders between the EU and the UK
http://www.fruitnet.com/fpj/article/171734/brexit-fears-mount-in-spain


HOLLAND FEARS
"Any restriction on free trade with Britain would inevitably be at the cost of Dutch exports, prosperity and employment," it said.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands-idUKKBN16S17A?il=0


Belgium Business

CDC The special working party set up by the Belgian government following the decision of the British people to leave the EU has presented its final report. Belgian business is looking for the closest possible trade ties with the UK after the country quits the free trade bloc.

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/1.2879376#

All good quotes and most of UK industry wants the same. Why then are a bunch of right wing anti-EU fanatics still advocating leaving on WTO terms?

I hope that common sense does prevail and we maintain a good trading relationship with the EU. But if the Brexit hardliners win the argument there will be a lot of disappointed people in the UK and elsewhere.

kabayiri

BobQ wrote: »

All good quotes and most of UK industry wants the same. Why then are a bunch of right wing anti-EU fanatics still advocating leaving on WTO terms?

I hope that common sense does prevail and we maintain a good trading relationship with the EU. But if the Brexit hardliners win the argument there will be a lot of disappointed people in the UK and elsewhere.

You have no idea how hard line / intransigent the EU negotiating team will be yet.

This is all a bit premature. We need to see how the negotiations pan out, and more crucially, what happens in the upcoming European elections.

davomcdave

Conrad wrote: »

As with Clegg and Salmond on the QT special last night, the assumption is that we the British will not be able to manage our own affairs, whereas other independent nations manage perfectly well to trade with Europe very successfully.


Everything they uttered placed us in the position of the weak petitioner that will fail and cannot be trusted to make its own good decisions, whereas mighty Brussels holds all the power and all the good sense.

That just shows your naivete.

The reality is that countries make laws regarding standards regularly that reduce the ability for companies to trade.

For example, rather than using 'ISOFIX' seat belt fixings for kids' seat, the Australian government mandates an entirely worse system which means the majority of child seats in Australian cars are incorrectly fitted. The reason? To reduce competition with Australian manufacturers of cars.

Now the Australian car manufacturing industry has shut down that will change, right? Nope, the car sellers got into the Government's ear and the law remains to protect car retailers. Will nobody think of the car salesmen?

Mr.Generous

When I first saw this thread it was new. I almost commented on it along the lines of "Well we all know it won't happen so why bother asking". Hmmm. Tomorrow is the first day of our adventures, it could go well, it could go badly. Time will tell. let history be the judge...

mayonnaise

https://www.channel4.com/news/grimsby-where-70-voted-brexit

1.55 in : "Why should we be wuled by someone in Bwussels when we fought 2 wars to be free. "

Rinoa

It's a Beautiful Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6WMzDOh1o