If we vote for Brexit what happens

mrginge

Conrad wrote: »

https://www.ft.com/content/ed2efc7c-1305-11e7-b0c1-37e417ee6c76

investors have already factored in calculations of the likelihood of a hard Brexit in which Britain trades with the 27 under World Trade Organization rules.

They have also made their estimates of the damage to UK-based banks if they lose their passporting rights in the single market.

Meantime, weaker sterling has provided a prize opportunity for policymakers to rebalance the economy away from the debt-fuelled, consumption-driven growth.

No Conrad this cannot be true.

Nobody has factored anything in, nobody has made any contingencies, nobody has done anything.
Everybody is just sat round waiting for the day when we leave and then the uk will collapse.

That's the way certain scare-mongering miseries want it to work out.

prosaver

people say Brexit is like a divorce.
if someone's getting divorced im sure the judge isn't going to punish them for just saying it isnt working, They share the assets 50/50 but if one person paid more in throughout the marriage, surely they should have a better deal.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

If we are getting all that and we are part of Europe as well, then why are we leaving?

I honestly don't understand what Brexit people think will be better or easier when we leave the common market.

I think the EU is heading towards being a failed concept. The Euro is one example where they seem unable to resolve the fundamental problems.

Why would I want to vote to remain in a club which I think has no future, and certainly does not act in the interests of the UK. Central EU politicians like Juncker have a total dislike for the UK.

I need not remind you that hundreds of billions of Euros have poured in to the likes of Poland, and yet they seem unable to accept migrant refugees.

The club is stacked, and not in our favour.

Arklight

prosaver wrote: »

people say Brexit is like a divorce.
if someone's getting divorced im sure the judge isn't going to punish them for just saying it isnt working, They share the assets 50/50 but if one person paid more in throughout the marriage, surely they should have a better deal.

I can see you have never been divorced.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

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  So I've explained this to already yet you ask again?
  
  
  REASONS FOR BREXIT;
  
  
  
  
  After Brexit our trade with EU will continue in same volume but without paying c£3 billion every 10 days (edit, 'weeks' thank you Mayo) in club fee
  
  
  Free to make the most of new global trading alliances (90% of growth over next 10-15 yrs is predicted to come from outside of Europe
  http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-once-in-a-generation-opportunity-to-embrace-emerging-markets-2017-1
  
  
  Autonomy = prosperity. Being the architects of our own policy means tailor made UK plc - responsive, nimble, enterprise friendly, distinguishing us from the old fashioned lumbering EU where growth has been so poor
  
  
  Sovereignty and accountability - no more passing the buck, we will all know exactly who is to blame if for example mass immigration is not tackled to our satisfaction
  
  
  Re-orientating ourselves to the global stage, taking our own seat at the global tables which scuplt many of the rules handed down to Brussels

Opinions are of course subjective - but do you really think we will retain access to the single market without paying to do so? Norway I believe pays as much as though they were a member, and has to sign up to free movement, and everything else, but gets no say in how the EU is run.

Re. autonomy I mentioned before that the UK had outperformed France in the EU - so how are they holding us back?

Re. accountability. I'm sorry but this just means nothing. Over which things are we not sovereign and accountale? The UK has obtained more opt outs than any other country:

http://euanalytics.ideasoneurope.eu/2013/08/14/the-size-of-the-british-opt-outs/

We have opted out of, monetary policy, economic policy, judicial compliance and Schengen.

What specifically - is it that you are still being smothered by?

If you're worried about immigration then Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary has told you that it will not fall. So you can blame a different politician for that.

setmefree2

prosaver wrote: »

people say Brexit is like a divorce.
if someone's getting divorced im sure the judge isn't going to punish them for just saying it isnt working, They share the assets 50/50 but if one person paid more in throughout the marriage, surely they should have a better deal.

Slightly off topic....

Believe it or not in the UK if you just say "it isn't working" you can't get divorced

24th March 2017

A woman who says she is "desperately unhappy" in her marriage has lost the latest round of an "extraordinarily unusual" court fight.
Tini Owens, 66, asked the Court of Appeal to overturn a family court ruling, which said she could not divorce her husband Hugh Owens, 78.
But the appeal judges, led by Sir James Munby, upheld the original ruling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-39380779

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/28/meps-veto-brexit-early-cut-off-date-european-parliament-freedom-movement 'Talking at a press conference, Manfred Weber, the leader of the centre-right European People’s party – the largest group in the parliament – said Brexit would be “very costly” for the UK. He declined to speculate on the size of Britain’s divorce bill but said the British government needed to live up to the spending commitments in the EU’s budget. He also told reporters that he did not believe a trade deal would be negotiated within the next two years and that the EU’s priority would be European businesses and not the City of London. The consequences of Brexit, he said, would affect the daily lives of millions of British citizens. “I regret it very much”, he said. “ I don’t like it. But that’s the outcome of the Brexit referendum”.' I see reality is beginning to sink in:- https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/28/brexit-uk-backing-away-from-threat-to-leave-with-no-deal-say-eu-diplomats

setmefree2

Brexit question draws U.S., Russian, Chinese interest at WTO

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-wto-idUKKBN16Y23W

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/british-agriculture-pressing-question-post-brexit-era/

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

do you really think we will retain access to the single market without paying to do so?




we may pay something but we will retain access that is good enough but again remember lots of independent nations sell into Europe no problem and have grown their sales faster than us


European commercial sectors are pushing for a good deal (plenty of posts on here about this) - they can ill afford trade barriers and tariffs (Clegg endlessly misses the point that it is the core EU nations that trade much with us - he always counts the whole 27 and thus total EU sales appear less significant)



Re. autonomy I mentioned before that the UK had outperformed France in the EU - so how are they holding us back?


Autonomy will give us the tools to maximise our potential locally and globally


Not spending £2 or 3 billion every 10 weeks is a further plus (I care about the gross not the net sum - we should control the gross sum)





Re. accountability. I'm sorry but this just means nothing. Over which things are we not sovereign and accountale?




Too many things to list here. Fine if you don't get this point, no skin off my nose.


If we have remained fully in control of ourselves as you imply, then you wont miss Brussels of course



If you're worried about immigration then Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary has told you that it will not fall. So you can blame a different politician for that.


Exactly!!
We know who to blame and chuck out, no more hiding behind EU law and FOM rules.

Red replies

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

The consequences of Brexit, he said, would affect the daily lives of millions of British citizens.

Brexit fears mount in Spain
Maintaining the UK’s relationship with the single market is a top priority for Spanish fruit and vegetable exporters, according to Fepex.
“Fepex considers it a priority to continue with a single market without borders between the EU and the UK
http://www.fruitnet.com/fpj/article/171734/brexit-fears-mount-in-spain


HOLLAND FEARS
"Any restriction on free trade with Britain would inevitably be at the cost of Dutch exports, prosperity and employment," it said.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands-idUKKBN16S17A?il=0


Belgium Business

CDC The special working party set up by the Belgian government following the decision of the British people to leave the EU has presented its final report. Belgian business is looking for the closest possible trade ties with the UK after the country quits the free trade bloc.

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/1.2879376#