If we vote for Brexit what happens

prosaver

Sapphire wrote: »

Isn't the odd thing shipped from China (and other countries in the Far East)? Doesn't appear to be too much of an issue there. :cool:

like this ..

Cod caught off Scotland is being sent on a 10,000-mile round trip to China and back again to be filleted for supermarkets, shops and fish suppers.The fish is caught in the North Atlantic, deep frozen, shipped to China for processing by workers earning less than £1 a day before being refrozen and returned to Scotland.

The globe-trotting trek has been condemned as "madness" and "ridiculous" by Scottish fish producers, fishermen and environmentalists. And it happens despite pledges by supermarkets and food producers to reduce their pollution and food miles

ref http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12765981.Scotland_to_China_and_back_again_____cod_apos_s_10_000_mile_trip_to_your_table/
how does the EU let this happen?

setmefree2

prosaver wrote: »

like this ..

ref http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12765981.Scotland_to_China_and_back_again_____cod_apos_s_10_000_mile_trip_to_your_table/
how does the EU let this happen?

The New Zealand lamb now in the shops has travelled 11,000 miles by ship in near-freezing conditions, taking six weeks or more. That means that although it is sold as ‘fresh’ in supermarkets, it is nearly two months old when we eat it.
British lamb, by contrast, will be on the shelves within three to four weeks of slaughter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370130/Just-fresh-fresh-food-supermarket.html#ixzz4bhcj80RF
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prosaver

setmefree2 wrote: »

The New Zealand lamb now in the shops has travelled 11,000 miles by ship in near-freezing conditions, taking six weeks or more. That means that although it is sold as ‘fresh’ in supermarkets, it is nearly two months old when we eat it.
British lamb, by contrast, will be on the shelves within three to four weeks of slaughter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370130/Just-fresh-fresh-food-supermarket.html#ixzz4bhcj80RF
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just done some research ..

Most UK imports, particularly from New Zealand, are frozen, which is generally cheaper and aimed at providing a wider range of choice and availability for consumers. The vast majority of UK exports are chilled and includes product the UK market does not usually consume, highlighting the need to export. A drop in UK imports from New Zealand would likely result in a drop in UK sheep meat consumption.

The UK sheep sector continues to be subject to a very seasonal pattern. The bulk of production takes place in the second part of the year and does not necessarily coincide with domestic demand. At Easter, for example, New Zealand production peaks to coincide with UK demand. The complementary seasons allow grass-finished lamb and new season lamb to be available all year round, and the use of imports also allows lamb to maintain shelf space throughout the year. Ultimately, the balance of imports and exports helps iron out demand and supply peaks in the UK sheep industry and is therefore beneficial to the sector.

ref http://beefandlambmatters.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/why-uk-imports-lamb-from-new-zealand.html

vivatifosi

Herzlos wrote: »

How long does it take to ship surface freight from the US these days? Cruise liners can do it in about 6 days but I've no idea about cargo ships.

If container ships average 20 knots, then about the same as a cruise ship. I've done the Atlantic crossing by ship a couple of times. Unless it is an ocean going liner, which can go faster, cruise ships do about 20 knots too, maybe up to 22, but not much faster.

davomcdave

setmefree2 wrote: »

How so? You can just reduce the import tariff to zero. So, for example, if you are a net importer of pineapples you reduce the tariff to zero - as we can't produce pineapples, so we have no home market to protect. If you want to protect your home markets in say lamb you have a higher tariff.

At the moment we have many high tariffs on food we don't produce to protect other EU countries who do produce these goods - so we can reduce all tariffs on those goods to zero.

(By the way, if Scotland leaves the union we can have high tariffs on Scottish Whiskey to protect our home grown Welsh and English whiskeys ;-)

It makes a mockery of the idea that the UK has the whip hand in negotiations over post-Brexit trade then!

UK: You must agree to accept our low-regulation banks competing with your high regulation ones.
EU: Or what?
UK: Or we put tariffs on your exports to us.
EU: Really? You are going to put tariffs on food imports?
UK: Erm no. Other things though, definitely other things.
EU: What other things?
UK: All of the other things!
EU:You're going to make medicines more expensive? And what about car parts for that nice new Nissan factory?
UK: Can I have a while to think about it?
EU: Sure, take your time. The A50 clock runs out on 27th March 2019.

Train wreck Brexit is by far the most likely outcome. The next most likely is a largely symbolic but ultimately meaningless treaty signed to save face. You're not going to negotiate and ratify a meaningful, comprehensive trade deal in two years. It's not going to happen.

You made your bed...

posh*spice

davomcdave wrote: »

It makes a mockery of the idea that the UK has the whip hand in negotiations over post-Brexit trade then!

UK: You must agree to accept our low-regulation banks competing with your high regulation ones.
EU: Or what?
UK: Or we put tariffs on your exports to us.
EU: Really? You are going to put tariffs on food imports?
UK: Erm no. Other things though, definitely other things.
EU: What other things?
UK: All of the other things!
EU:You're going to make medicines more expensive? And what about car parts for that nice new Nissan factory?
UK: Can I have a while to think about it?
EU: Sure, take your time. The A50 clock runs out on 27th March 2019.

Train wreck Brexit is by far the most likely outcome. The next most likely is a largely symbolic but ultimately meaningless treaty signed to save face. You're not going to negotiate and ratify a meaningful, comprehensive trade deal in two years. It's not going to happen.

You made your bed...

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posh*spice

Aberdeen once oil rich city now relying on food banks - and Hamish McTavish has turned into a Nat - karma!

davomcdave

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

There will be a free trade deal between the UK and the EU, I can assure you.

Ireland is stressing out about it, as will France, Germany, Spain and Italy. We buy more from the EU than they buy from us right? Well the concentration of those imports are mainly in the affluent older EU members close to us. The members who call the shots, who make up the EU budget, etc... I read your posts like you're having a panic attack over it as you've not properly thought it through on a macro-economic scale, you're telling us to worry over the use of imperial vs metric measurements when we primarily use metric and teach metric anyway.

I voted to leave for trade, to trade freely with the EU but also with more of the other 93% of the world. I'd be ok with FoM in the EFTA, but a bilateral free trade deal with the EU will be fine too.

It seems a bit weird to ascribe a symptom of mental illness to my posting when all I'm doing is working through a logical series of events. The thing about metric v imperial is an example of the sort of problems that are created if you try to have free trade without having a common set of standards.

You seem convinced that Mercedes and Renault can somehow push through a trade deal in the face of qualified majority voting (QMV). If you want to work out what could happen next it is good to try to understand how that process works. The fact is that QMV involves a bunch of trade-offs as a rule. What do you think France and Germany are going to trade to push a treaty through the Council of Ministers? My guess is roughly nothing. What is your guess? How much does Paris and Berlin care about trade with Britain? Germany's trade surplus with the UK is £27 billion. Germany's GDP is £2.7 trillion so the trade surplus is c. 1% of German GDP. I reckon Germany could probably lose a chunk of that 1% without sweating too much.

You didn't vote for any of those things. You voted to leave the European Union, nothing more, nothing less.

Ballard

I have come to enjoy looking at the blind optimism of the Leave voters on this thread. I genuinely hope that they're right as it will clearly have a massive effect on my wellbeing and my son will have just turned 18 when we leave the EU but, as I've said before, I have serious doubts.

Posh - please feel free to save this message too if it makes you feel happy.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Ballard wrote: »

I have come to enjoy looking at the blind optimism of the Leave voters on this thread. I genuinely hope that they're right as it will clearly have a massive effect on my wellbeing and my son will have just turned 18 when we leave the EU but, as I've said before, I have serious doubts.

Posh - please feel free to save this message too if it makes you feel happy.

Whereas conversely I have come to be amused more and more by the blind panic and facetious attitudes seen in some of the remain voters on this thread, using such terminology as "cliff edge" and "train wreck" despite all evidence so far being to the contrary.

I genuinely believe these to be wrong and note that this will clearly have a massive effect on my wellbeing as well as that of my child who will not yet be a teenager when we leave the EU.

Despite some doubts I am capable of realising that the opportunities afforded by a life outside the constraints of a domineering EU far outweigh the restrictions implemented by membership.

I wonder if this post too will be preserved for posterity, for the sake of balance?