If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

By the way, the biggest winner in the Netherlands elections was the Green Left, 100% pro-EU. :T

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Nonsense.
Do I really have to provide links to Farage's comments about the British Muslim 'fifth column', his support for Trump's muslim travel ban?
Lisa Duffy's calls to ban headscarves and muslim schools?
Nuttall's calls to ban the burqa?
It's exactly the same rhetoric as their extreme right counterparts on mainland Europe.

Ah, you cite the terminally unelectable (at a national level) Nigel Farage and his mongy mate Nuttall as examples of the UK's descent into far right politics.
Lest we forget also that in France at least the decision to restrict 'religious' dress is not extreme far right politics but the re-establishment of Laïcite in that country.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

Ah, you cite the terminally unelectable (at a national level) Nigel Farage and his mongy mate Nuttall as examples of the UK's descent into far right politics.

This mongy collective would have 80+ seats in the UK parliament under proportional representation.

setmefree2

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I haven't noticed anyone saying yet what currency they would have though. If you want to be truly independent then you would have to get a lot of infrastructure in place, not least of all a mint to mint your own money, but if you do intend to join the EU you would only have that currency for a couple of years until you would be forced to join the Euro. That is assuming that the EU and the Euro are still around, Greece is almost certainly going to default in the summer and that will do a lot of damage.

They still haven't decided !!!!!!.

Scotland could abandon currency union with UK, says Alex Salmond

Scottish Nationalists are prepared to change their blueprint for independence and abandon previous proposals for a currency union with the rest of the UK, the former first minister Alex Salmond has said.

:T:T:T:T:T:T:T

Mr Salmond ruled out joining the euro, but suggested that Scotland could introduce a new currency, either freely floated or pegged to the pound, and perhaps use sterling without any say in monetary policy while the new currency is introduced.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

With a budget deficit of 10%

Scotland would also see higher growth, because of increased immigration

On whether an independent Scotland could opt to return to the UK “In theory, yes . . . But I think it would be a new precedent in world history for a country to become unindependent in a democratic vote after deciding to become independent.”

Without doubt England would vote not to allow you back in - if you vote to Leave you won't be coming back.

https://www.ft.com/content/e248b414-0a37-11e7-ac5a-903b21361b43

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The centrist parties need to wake the hell up and stop towing the same line that's gotten them into this mess

Yes, and I'd also like to drive home the point that centrist social democratic parties have suffered a rout across Europe as lots and lots of left leaning journalists have been point out for the last 2 years. Scandinavia of all places has seen this shift.


The Dutch Labour party has just lost 70% of its seats.


In France, Hollandes socialists will barely register in the GE and Fillons Conservatives are expected to fair badly. The winners will be 'outsider' movements (in terms of never having Governed) in the shape of Le Pen and Macron, although Macron is of the elite Establishment in a way Le Pen simply is not (being from an old political family does not equate with being of the Establishment)

Conrad

Sapphire wrote: »

People do not just turn to extremes for no reason

I would say the social democratic 'liberal' consensus parties and politicians have become somewhat extreme in the eyes of exasperated citizens.


This point seems to have passed 'liberals' by.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

The "migrant crisis" and Turkey's involvement therein is in question again.
Auntie Beeb reported yesterday on Turkey's threat to scrap the deal:

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened to tear up a key migrant deal with the European Union.He said the EU could "forget about" Turkey re-admitting failed asylum seekers who had reached Europe via Turkey, a key part of the agreement.
Mr Erdogan also said the EU's top court was leading a "crusade" against Islam.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39294776

Then today the EUObserver is reporting on another reason why the deal is at real risk:

Once again, the EU's migrant deal with Turkey hangs in the balance, but this time from a high court in Athens.
The legal stakes in Greece underpin a sharp rise in antagonistic rhetoric between Ankara and EU capitals. Caught in the middle are the thousands of migrants stuck in misery on the Greek islands. Agreed on 18 March one year ago, the deal risks unravelling if the Greek court's conservative judges decide Turkey is not a safe third country.

https://euobserver.com/migration/137277

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Also today, the Irish Times have an interesting report on Italian debate regarding abandoning the Euro.
The Irish please note, before someone blames UK anti-EU straw-clutching.

Most Italian economists, government officials and business executives have been staunch advocates of the euro. The public also remains in favour: opinion polls suggest that most support remaining in the single currency despite growing reservations about the EU in general.
All the same, there is little doubt that the ground is shifting in Rome, with debate over Italy’s future in the currency bloc and a possible “Italexit” gathering pace at what euro supporters fear is an alarming pace.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/will-italy-be-next-to-reverse-out-of-the-eu-1.3013345

always_sunny

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Also today, the Irish Times have an interesting report on Italian debate regarding abandoning the Euro.
The Irish please note, before someone blames UK anti-EU straw-clutching.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/will-italy-be-next-to-reverse-out-of-the-eu-1.3013345

And yet most Italian news report such move as being a disaster!

Conrad

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The "migrant crisis" and Turkey's involvement therein is in question again.
Auntie Beeb reported yesterday on Turkey's threat to scrap the deal:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39294776

Then today the EUObserver is reporting on another reason why the deal is at real risk:
https://euobserver.com/migration/137277

In the end without an Aussie style processing system offshore (Morocco has I think hinted it would offer one), the migration crisis is going to properly boil over (note all the border fences going up across the EU).


It may seem harsh to process offshore, but such a system would drastically stem the flow (before someone says Australia has high immigration - that is currently their choice to take in high numbers of legal properly process migrants)


In the end the answer has to be people building up their own nations