If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

Generali wrote: »

As the Norwegian experience tells us, a Brexit would simply mean the UK adopting EU rules as decided by the remaining 27 members.

Would you be willing to change your mind on this? I don't see it myself.

It is self obvious that the UK could forge a way for herself as a nation outside of the EU. And it's fairly obvious that she could choose a path as similar or as different to Norway, or Switzerland, or Australia, or Canada, or whoever, as she pleases with the varying levels of advantages or disadvantages. The argument trying to show we'd be worse off 'because Norway' doesn't hold water with me.

Having said that I actually have no idea if we would be worse or better off but I tend to believe worse off. We (*) have been very successful as part of the EU and as far as I'm concerned, why would you selfishly think that now that times are just a bit tough, we'll throw our partners the finger and !!!!!! off. I find it a little shameful.

On top of that, the more free movement of people, the more integrated, the more we move to be a global people, the better. Leaving the EU would be a backward step in all of these regards.

Finally, selfishly, I just flat out would not want to give up the ability to live, work, retire in any one of the 27 other beautiful countries we are part of in the union.

I understand why people may want to vote out but strongly disagree that they're doing it for the right reasons.

(*) As I've mentioned often, I'm not native here, but consider myself part of 'we' since this is now my home.

kabayiri

mwpt wrote: »

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Finally, selfishly, I just flat out would not want to give up the ability to live, work, retire in any one of the 27 other beautiful countries we are part of in the union.

I understand why people may want to vote out but strongly disagree that they're doing it for the right reasons.

(*) As I've mentioned often, I'm not native here, but consider myself part of 'we' since this is now my home.

Just as selfishly as you, I see more opportunities for me if we can attract more people from the emerging economies and less from Europe.

People don't seem to be able to accept that there will be winners and losers whatever side you come down on.

angrypirate

"MEPs just voted against a British attempt to exempt private ports from the EU's disastrous Ports Services Directive."
http://capx.co/eu-officials-all-at-sea-over-ports-legislation/
https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/707172428984750080

I dont even understand why landlocked EU countries are even allowed a say in this

mayonnaise

angrypirate wrote: »

"MEPs just voted against a British attempt to exempt private ports from the EU's disastrous Ports Services Directive."
http://capx.co/eu-officials-all-at-sea-over-ports-legislation/
https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/707172428984750080

I dont even understand why landlocked EU countries are even allowed a say in this

Yes, God forbid we have a free market in the provision of port services.
More Dan Hannan gunk. :rotfl:

Filo25

I see Yougov, have produced a map from the polling they've done showing which areas are leaning more towards Remain and which ones towards leave.

https://yougov.co.uk/yougov-8545/

Interesting that as I suspected London is generally relatively Europhile.

That said samples in each region are probably relatively small so might be best to use some caution in looking at the data down at the lowest level of detail.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Would you be willing to change your mind on this? I don't see it myself.

It is self obvious that the UK could forge a way for herself as a nation outside of the EU. And it's fairly obvious that she could choose a path as similar or as different to Norway, or Switzerland, or Australia, or Canada, or whoever, as she pleases with the varying levels of advantages or disadvantages. The argument trying to show we'd be worse off 'because Norway' doesn't hold water with me.

Having said that I actually have no idea if we would be worse or better off but I tend to believe worse off. We (*) have been very successful as part of the EU and as far as I'm concerned, why would you selfishly think that now that times are just a bit tough, we'll throw our partners the finger and !!!!!! off. I find it a little shameful.

On top of that, the more free movement of people, the more integrated, the more we move to be a global people, the better. Leaving the EU would be a backward step in all of these regards.

Finally, selfishly, I just flat out would not want to give up the ability to live, work, retire in any one of the 27 other beautiful countries we are part of in the union.

I understand why people may want to vote out but strongly disagree that they're doing it for the right reasons.

(*) As I've mentioned often, I'm not native here, but consider myself part of 'we' since this is now my home.

just love the idea that you want to stay for the 'right' reason whilst people who want to leave are doing it for the 'wrong ' reasons

The idea that the brexit are voting because times are hard (even if the problems are largely self inflicted by the EU on themselves) is laughable : this is the first opportunity to vote on the issue since 1975 and nothing to do with failure of the EU to rescue the southern european economies or the migrant issues.

there is no question that free movement of people now would lead to world wide wars and the deaths of thousands of millions.
even in europe, only a fantasist could see things through your rose tinted spectacles.

angrypirate

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, God forbid we have a free market in the provision of port services.
More Dan Hannan gunk. :rotfl:

Unless im completely confused, the point being the UK already has a free open market where the ports are privately owned and run. The rest of the EU they are state owned and subsidised.

Yolina

angrypirate wrote: »

I dont even understand why landlocked EU countries are even allowed a say in this

There aren't many landlocked EU countries, I can think of 5: Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Luxembourg and Slovakia.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

On top of that, the more free movement of people, the more integrated, the more we move to be a global people, the better. Leaving the EU would be a backward step in all of these regards.

Finally, selfishly, I just flat out would not want to give up the ability to live, work, retire in any one of the 27 other beautiful countries we are part of in the union.

What percentage of the UK population take advantage of the ability to live, work or retire in another EU country?

What is the tangible benefit of free movement for that vast majority of the population that don't do so?

antrobus

mrginge wrote: »

What percentage of the UK population take advantage of the ability to live, work or retire in another EU country?....

Interesting question.

The FT quoted numbers from the National Online Manpower Information System, (a service provided by the Office for National Statistics, and based on passport records). There are apparently 2.34m EU citizens living in the UK, and 1.8m UK citizens living in the EU.

Percentage wise, I think that means that about 2.75% of the UK population has decamped to Europe, whilst something like 0.1% of the EU population have come here. (Well there are a lot more of them.)

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5cd640f6-9025-11e3-a776-00144feab7de.html

mrginge wrote: »

...What is the tangible benefit of free movement for that vast majority of the population that don't do so?

Cheap plumbers? Expats over paying for local tradesmen as they 'do up' some crappy old farmouse?