If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

This is the point Blair made, (amongst others). It's interesting that the Brexiteers are happy to deploy the economic argument re. an independent Scotland but are far more reticent when it comes to Brexit. As Blair said....... as the reality sinks in over the next few years the mood may shift and the 37% who voted for Brexit will start to shrink. That is my hope but I acknowledge the reality is though that the ideologues driving Brexit are basically free market loons who seem only too happy to pull us all down with them on their point of principle. They are religious in their fervour and will not be denied.This country's future prospects seems to have been handed to such types by the ignorant and ill informed who were mesmerised by the issue of immigration and will probably be too stubborn to correct their error. Therefore welcome to the world of Redwood, Davis, Fox Johnston, Duncan Smith etc. Workers of Britain your winge that Labour 'did nothing for me' is going to sound pretty hollow in the coming years. Labour did ignore you but this lot are really going to really shaft you.

Quite the post from someone who supported the Blair government. A government that left us with a record pile of national debt and a budget deficit that we still haven't got rid of. Debt that will be hanging around our necks for generations.

This is the same Blair who took us into a bloody war in Iraq that nobody wanted (except George Bush). The consequences of which the middle east live with today.

Blair who failed to build enough houses... the ramifications of which we are living with today.

Blair who's immigration policy contributed to Brexit....

Blair who signed the Lisbon Treaty in 2005 and never gave us a referendum...

Blair who has left our public services with the legacy of PFI....

Blair who along with Brown, Darling and Mandelson have spent the last 10 years getting filthy rich whilst the rest of us have been living through a recession.....and our government has been trying to sort out the mess of RBS and Lloyds

....Blair : really??? Why in gods name would you want us to listen to him?

orwen

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Fortunately the majority of the voting electorate disagree with you.

In other news:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/18/brexit-will-cut-shopping-bills-300-year-says-former-minister/#comment-section

Thanks, £300 pa. is good news. But might this not be offset by "[FONT=&quot]a rise in the cost of things we take in from abroad is inevitable"? http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/tesco-unilever-marmite-row-brexit-price-rises-expensive-unemployment-housing-crash-voted-out-worth-a7358896.html[/FONT]

orwen

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unfortunately the pro's and con's extend far beyond just economic issues.

I'm sure in countries such as Italy this question is being asked.

Yes but this forum addresses economic issues, it addresses money, I want to know if the British economy will be healthier by leaving the EU or not please? And what assumptions and forecasts are based on:- facts and figures.

orwen

The_Last_Username wrote: »

New Zealand farmers ... 99% of their farms survived the loss of our trade.

There has never been time that New Zealand lamb has not be readily available in quantity in UK supermarkets. Who told you otherwise please, presumably a politician?

orwen

Fella wrote: »

Nobody on here has the remotest idea what a future inside the EU might actually look like over say the next 10 years. There are plenty of people who believe it might not even exist, or if it does it'll be unrecognizable. So no reason whatsoever that Brexiteers should be expected to somehow detail a future outside it.

Trouble is, wouldn't that be a bit like buying a used car without knowing anything about it, without even checking under the hood to see if there was an engine inside? I can't believe millions of people would be so rash as to balance the future of their economy and the lives of their children on 'no reason to detail a future' outside the EU. What if the numbers begin tell us that leaving is not in the interest of our economy? Could it ever be in our interest to alienate ourselves from the continent of Europe with whom we have successfully traded since prehistory?

cogito

orwen wrote: »

Trouble is, wouldn't that be a bit like buying a used car without knowing anything about it, without even checking under the hood to see if there was an engine inside? I can't believe millions of people would be so rash as to balance the future of their economy and the lives of their children on 'no reason to detail a future' outside the EU. What if the numbers begin tell us that leaving is not in the interest of our economy? Could it ever be in our interest to alienate ourselves from the continent of Europe with whom we have successfully traded since prehistory?

What makes you think that we are alienating ourselves from the continent of Europe (which is not the same thing as the EU)? We have traded with them since pre-history but the EU has only existed for a few decades. Are you suggesting that we wouldn't trade with each other any more?

orwen

Moby wrote: »

the ideologues driving Brexit are basically free market loons who seem only too happy to pull us all down with them on their point of principle. They are religious in their fervour and will not be denied.

I can relate to this. Considering our economy has been run on the Chicago School model since the late 1970s it must have millions of supporters by now, or people who just go along with it, because it's there. The problem for us is that the logical conclusion for Chicago School economics is to be where North America is now, an ethically free market, private healthcare, social unrest, and places like Detroit, a once thriving industrial city now completely failed. I have never understood why so many politicians have obviously decided that the Chicago School is for us, it looks, ultimately, like a cul de sac to me?

orwen

cogito wrote: »

What makes you think that we are alienating ourselves from the continent of Europe (which is not the same thing as the EU)? We have traded with them since pre-history but the EU has only existed for a few decades. Are you suggesting that we wouldn't trade with each other any more?

I detect bad blood caused by our referendum to leave, bad blood is antithetical to good trading relations - with anyone - it is not a good position to trade from. We need friends and good relationships, we don't appear to be moving in that direction with regard to the EU, thus it would seem to me to be an unwise move.

always_sunny

cogito wrote: »

What makes you think that we are alienating ourselves from the continent of Europe (which is not the same thing as the EU)? We have traded with them since pre-history but the EU has only existed for a few decades. Are you suggesting that we wouldn't trade with each other any more?

hmm the fact that (so it seems) the plan is not to negotiate with the bloc but with member states individually.
Of course the UK traded with individual states before but things are different now. Would it be okay if the bloc was to trade with Wales but not England?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

An Irish perspective of recent EU happenings:

Co-operation with Canada may be secure, but there is little doubt the European Union is in a precarious position.

Uncertainty surrounding Brexit is hugely evident in the parliament. As for Grexit - one dare not whisper the word.

Part of the problem lies in the fact that a debate on the future of the European Union resulted in more questions than answers this week. MEPs simply do not know what route the EU will take prior to the Brexit Horse bolting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/0219/853704-ceta-eu-future/