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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • Thrugelmir
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    Ballard wrote: »
    It's almost inconceivable that someone simply doesn't understand the terms soft/hard Brexit but then being as they persist in using remoaner it shouldn't be too much of a surprise.


    Until the terms are agreed. Pure speculation. Most people are simply focused on their daily lives to care. Over 2 years time is a long long way away. Who knows what else might have happened in the intervening period.
  • Matt_L
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    mrginge wrote: »
    Why do you think that a 'hard' Brexit means we should have no trade deal with the EU?
    Or have no common agreements with them?

    What you seem to be describing as 'soft' would actually appear to be the strategy we are looking to pursue.

    Exactly..

    He seems to be moving the gaol posts daily. When talking about giving up Membership of the single market and customs union but continuing to trade and cooperate where possible they called this hard Brexit. Whats changed?? Now its soft Brexit???

    Hell if this is now soft Brexit then i like:beer:
    "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."
  • BobQ
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    mrginge wrote: »
    Why do you think that a 'hard' Brexit means we should have no trade deal with the EU?
    Or have no common agreements with them?

    What you seem to be describing as 'soft' would actually appear to be the strategy we are looking to pursue.

    The problem is that we have no definitions that describe the myriad of options from at one extreme (remaining in the Customs Union and EEA) to the other (negotiating no deals and adopting WTO rules outside of the CU and the EEA). I agree May seems to be looking for something in between but where, I have no idea.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • BobQ
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    Matt_L wrote: »
    Exactly..

    He seems to be moving the gaol posts daily. When talking about giving up Membership of the single market and customs union but continuing to trade and cooperate where possible they called this hard Brexit. Whats changed?? Now its soft Brexit???

    Hell if this is now soft Brexit then i like:beer:

    Feel free to define the terms yourself.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • mayonnaise
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    Moby wrote: »
    Remainers are better educated........
    setmefree2 wrote: »
    Otherwise known as "The Elite"....
    Because being educated is so damn elitist... :o
    Don't blame me, I voted Remain.
  • setmefree2
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    edited 13 February 2017 at 12:59PM
    just as much as the use of Remoaner.

    Remoaner is a valid term imho. It describes a particular type of person who voted Remain and won't accept the result.

    For example, I voted remain but I'm not a remoaner.

    There may always be Remoaners, I guess we all have to get used to that - just like we have to get used to The Scottish Nats - who are still moaning despite having a referendum.

    My way of dealing with remoaners is to use the Ignore button.
  • wotsthat
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    setmefree2 wrote: »
    My way of dealing with remoaners is to use the Ignore button.

    I use the same tactic in real life and just stick my fingers in my ears to avoid hearing anything I might not agree with.

    It's bliss going through life thinking I'm 100% right 100% of the time.
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
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    UK’s last teddy bear maker boosted by Brexit

    Retail revenues at Shropshire-based Merrythought rise 10% due to non-EU sales

    https://www.ft.com/content/85a015bc-ef80-11e6-930f-061b01e23655
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
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    edited 13 February 2017 at 1:38PM
    ‘BREXIT EFFECT’ HITS LABOUR SUPPLY AS EU WORKERS HEAD FOR HOME
    Gerwyn Davies, labour market adviser for the CIPD, said: “The most recent official data suggest that there has been a significant slowdown in the number of non-UK nationals from the European Union in work in the UK. This is creating significant recruitment challenges in sectors that have historically relied on non-UK labour to fill roles and who are particularly vulnerable to the prospect of future changes to EU immigration policy.
    The report also asked employers that employ EU nationals how they would respond to migration restrictions.

    A quarter (26 per cent) said they would “pay the difference” and absorb the extra cost of recruiting EU nationals, while others said they would seek to retain older workers (19 per cent), invest more in training and upskilling (17 per cent), recruit more apprentices (17 per cent), and look for UK-born graduates (16 per cent).
    About time too ( to the last bit about apprentices and recruiting Uk graduates - they,ve paid enough for the their degrees they deserve to be rewarded! )

    http://www.cityam.com/258891/early-signs-suggest-theres-already-been-fall-supply-eu

    http://www.fm-world.co.uk/news/brexit-effect-hits-labour-supply-as-eu-workers-head-for-home/
  • setmefree2 wrote: »
    Remoaner is a valid term imho. It describes a particular type of person who voted Remain and won't accept the result.

    For example, I voted remain but I'm not a remoaner.

    There may always be Remoaners, I guess we all have to get used to that - just like we have to get used to The Scottish Nats - who are still moaning despite having a referendum.

    My way of dealing with remoaners is to use the Ignore button.
    Personally I quite agree; "if the cap fits" etc.
    However my post was in response to one disagreeing with use of the terminology.
    So as I explain, I am a Brexiter and not a Brexiteer.


    So Junckers is not to run for a second term as EU President in 2019, it seems.
    Hurrah!
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38944742
    This hot on the heels of his statement expressing doubts that the EU27 will be able to present a united front during Brexit negotiations:
    He added: "Do the Hungarians and the Poles want exactly the same thing as the Germans and the French?
    "I have serious doubts."
    http://news.sky.com/story/jean-claude-juncker-doubts-eu-unity-during-brexit-talks-10764130
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