If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

I'd like a Remainer to explain how nations that trade high volumes with the UK will cope with the lost revenues and taxes that could result from a hampering of trade?


Belgium and Spain for example.

Have you seen a Remainer say that they will?

setmefree2

Sapphire wrote: »

Could the House of Lords vote against triggering Brexit, and would they be successful in stopping the whole thing?

They have been keeping quiet recently, but there are people like Kinnock (who has a vested in having an EU pension and shouldn't even be allowed to vote) and a slew of liberal democrats in that body who will presumably attempt to overturn our democratic vote.

I so desperately want us to leave the corrupt and undemocratic EU as soon as possible, especially given all the threats by EU bureaucrats and the EU's intention to subvert democracy in European nations that has been brought to light by all this…

If things continue as they are - few seem to see a rebellion in the HoL. However, if an amendment (and we will get to know which amendments have been allowed by the deputy speaker at 3.30 this afternoon - it could be that very few amendments are allowed) gets close to passing in the HoC some seem to think this may embolden the HoL.

The next 3 days are crucial. However, if there is a serious rebellion in HoC with a amendment that hampers the government - then there will probably be a vote to trigger a GE. If opinion polls are remotely correct - the tories will then have a massive majority.

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-article-idUKKBN15K0L7

Is this not career suicide?

I'd quite welcome a GE, I think?? Opinions?? I know it would mess up May's timetable but in the longer run the whole leaving the EU thing would probably be over quicker if the government goes a gets a great big majority?? However, Corbyn might get replaced with someone capable???

I cant see more than a dozen Tories going against May, I would wager a handful at most.


The danger of a GE is some sort or Progressive alliance with someone capable in charge.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Have you seen a Remainer say that they will?

You are joking surely?

Sapphire

Conrad wrote: »

I cant see more than a dozen Tories going against May, I would wager a handful at most.


The danger of a GE is some sort or Progressive alliance with someone capable in charge.

I get the sense that there are powerful (i.e. highly monied) people such as Bliar, Branson and others we know nothing about, all with vested interests, in the background wanting to do just that.

The backlash from something like this, though, would be massive…

cogito

setmefree2 wrote: »

If things continue as they are - few seem to see a rebellion in the HoL. However, if an amendment (and we will get to know which amendments have been allowed by the deputy speaker at 3.30 this afternoon - it could be that very few amendments are allowed) gets close to passing in the HoC some seem to think this may embolden the HoL.

The next 3 days are crucial. However, if there is a serious rebellion in HoC with a amendment that hampers the government - then there will probably be a vote to trigger a GE. If opinion polls are remotely correct - the tories will then have a massive majority.

The Fixed Term Parliament Act means no election until 2020, doesn't it?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

You are joking surely?

Not at all. You seem to quite like asking Remainers to explain something they've never said.

As I'm sick of pointing out; if we don't get a good trade deal, then everybody hurts. But we will hurt more than the EU as a whole because we lose the bigger current market and the bigger potential market. Spain can start selling what we're no longer buying, to the other EU26. We don't have the same luxury as whatever is going to cause Spain to stop buying our stuff will probably also stop the other EU26 buying our stuff.

Everyone needs a good trade deal, but everyone else will get over a bad trade deal more easily that we will. Is there anything in that you don't understand or agree with?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

I cant see more than a dozen Tories going against May, I would wager a handful at most.


The danger of a GE is some sort or Progressive alliance with someone capable in charge.

She's got a working majority of 16, so she'd only need 9 Tory MPs to flip, surely? (assuming everyone else votes against her). If there's something you can rely a Tory MP doing, it's following the money. Where is the money?

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

I cant see more than a dozen Tories going against May, I would wager a handful at most.

Maybe but the Tories have a history of being driven into chaos by European issues. I doubt those days are over.

Conrad wrote: »

The danger of a GE is some sort or Progressive alliance with someone capable in charge.

I can think of worse things than a progressive alliance with a capable leader.

posh*spice

cogito wrote: »

The Fixed Term Parliament Act means no election until 2020, doesn't it?

There can be a vote of no confidence in government and then a genersl election is triggered.