If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

Maybe but the Tories have a history of being driven into chaos by European issues. I doubt those days are over.

When push comes to shove. Surprise surprise. Labour are no different. Be rather boring if MP's simply followed the party line and didn't actually debate the issues fully. After all they are suppose to represent the people. Not inflict their own beliefs without any supporting mandate.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

No, and that's not what I said. I said Spain would have an easier time finding new customers from within the EU, than we would from without.

why does Spain find those internal markets now?
is it because they are too rich to bother?
no spare capacity?

the UK on the other hand, will be able to engage in new trading relationships round the world, currently forbidden to the UK (and Spain) by EU rules

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Spain can start selling what we're no longer buying, to the other EU26.

So easy to tell other people what to do when sitting at home in front of a keyboard.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

So easy to tell other people what to do when sitting at home in front of a keyboard.

Am I incorrect somehow? It does happen.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

the UK on the other hand, will be able to engage in new trading relationships round the world, currently forbidden to the UK (and Spain) by EU rules

And what new trading routes are we engaging with that are unavailable to Spain? We may be able to negotiate a better deal with the people of Elbonia, but Spain will still be able to access the same market.

Just like Spain will likely have better access to EU26, the large trading block on our doorstep.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

And what new trading routes are we engaging with that are unavailable to Spain? We may be able to negotiate a better deal with the people of Elbonia, but Spain will still be able to access the same market.

Just like Spain will likely have better access to EU26, the large trading block on our doorstep.

you are in total denial

if Spain could do better trade within the EU26, why doesn't it do it NOW?

The UK can negotiate RECIPROCAL deals with other countries which Spain can't do because of EU rules.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Am I incorrect somehow? It does happen.

Nothing to do with being incorrect. Just a flawed statement for a whole variety of reasons.

Conrad

CLAPTON wrote: »

you are in total denial

if Spain could do better trade within the EU26, why doesn't it do it NOW?

The UK can negotiate RECIPROL deals with other countries which Spain can't do because of EU rules.

Last week it was reported the Dutch flower industry is very concerned with a fall in sales to the UK.
According to Remainer logic there ought to be no concern as the Dutch can very easily sell more to the rest of the EU, just as they say the Germans and others will easily find new markets for any loss of UK sales.

This 'logic' implies they all know of these untapped customers in the EU but are ignoring them

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

If things continue as they are - few seem to see a rebellion in the HoL. However, if an amendment (and we will get to know which amendments have been allowed by the deputy speaker at 3.30 this afternoon - it could be that very few amendments are allowed) gets close to passing in the HoC some seem to think this may embolden the HoL.

The next 3 days are crucial. However, if there is a serious rebellion in HoC with a amendment that hampers the government - then there will probably be a vote to trigger a GE. If opinion polls are remotely correct - the tories will then have a massive majority.

I hope not, a GE will surely delay the triggering of Article 50. Yet more uncertainty.

gfplux

Good news from June.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/06/uk-tourists-face-mobile-phone-roaming-charges-post-brexit-paper-says
This has been a hard fought campaign against strong opposition from the Telecoms. I applaud this positive move by the EU.
I am sure Mrs May will fight hard for Britain consumers to continues to benefit from this EU rule.