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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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Just wondered, do you think that the right to stay of foreign citizens from EU countries will be reserved for those who are actually working and contributing? And surely it would only apply to those who entered the country before Article 50 was triggered – so after that only those who have a job will be allowed to come to Britain and obtain benefits. I worry about the huge numbers of people Merkel invited over to Germany coming here. I don't want the sort of (growing) mayhem, fear and disruption to society that is prevalent in Germany, Sweden and France, and for taxpayers to have to support such numbers, when our NHS, housing, schools and other parts of our infrastructure are already very weak. I want this madness to stop and to feel safe and not suffer anxiety because of all this.
As an employer you might have some additional power over your employees as if they were to loose their job they would have to leave the Country. This might be an uncomfortable unintended consequence of drawing up those type of rules.
However the momentum at the moment appears to be moving that way. With no effective opposition to the present Conservative Government I imagine that Industry might like it and the Conservatives will give it to them.
However the other side of the coin might be that recruitment of EU talent would be more difficult.
You see the difficulty of control is there is never a perfect/good solution.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
However the other side of the coin might be that recruitment of EU talent would be more difficult.
You see the difficulty of control is there is never a perfect/good solution.
does that mean we would have to train UK born people instead and pay them more as well?
unintended consequences again.0 -
does that mean we would have to train UK born people instead and pay them more as well?
unintended consequences again.
You seem to be very keen on the idea that Brexit means higher wages for indigenous British people. Who is going to pay these higher wages do you think? I can only see higher wages, if they happen which I don't think they will, being paid by higher prices which means the apparently higher wages will still buy roughly the same amount of stuff.
That's inflation in the way Keynes described. Other sorts of inflation are available.0 -
davomcdave wrote: »You seem to be very keen on the idea that Brexit means higher wages for indigenous British people. Who is going to pay these higher wages do you think? I can only see higher wages, if they happen which I don't think they will, being paid by higher prices which means the apparently higher wages will still buy roughly the same amount of stuff.
That's inflation in the way Keynes described. Other sorts of inflation are available.
The irony is that most EU immigration has already taken place by the time of the Brexit vote, and the leave vote probably accelerated what was left. This was the reason why the Brexiteers had to conjure up the (highly unlikely) spectre of Turkey joining the EU. It appears that all these will be allowed to stay so I am not sure how Brexit will have a positive effect on wage rates.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
davomcdave wrote: »You seem to be very keen on the idea that Brexit means higher wages for indigenous British people. Who is going to pay these higher wages do you think? I can only see higher wages, if they happen which I don't think they will, being paid by higher prices which means the apparently higher wages will still buy roughly the same amount of stuff.
That's inflation in the way Keynes described. Other sorts of inflation are available.
The history of the last 2-3 hundred years shows it is possible to increase 'real ' wages/incomes greater than real prices.
If this were not so, then we would all be as poor as people 2-300 years ago.
The mechanisms are self evident but if you really don't understand the idea of improvement is output per person or per head of popuation I will be happy to explain the concept.
If you are a 'remainer' then you will have a religous like faith, that only massive population increases (from white, christian european countries) bring wealth and its probably a waste of both our time.
Nevertheless I'm still happy to discuss the economics.0 -
The irony is that most EU immigration has already taken place by the time of the Brexit vote, and the leave vote probably accelerated what was left. This was the reason why the Brexiteers had to conjure up the (highly unlikely) spectre of Turkey joining the EU. It appears that all these will be allowed to stay so I am not sure how Brexit will have a positive effect on wage rates.
why do you think that the EU has run out of young unemployed people : does that clearly show in the EU employment data?
Why are you so frightened of Turkey joining the EU : is that because you don't like non white, non christian, non european people and that Trumps your passionate belief that population increase is always a 'good' thing??0 -
Income inequality has been falling as a long term trend since the Thatcher medicine was administered. Income inequality is not the issue at present, what has happened is that real incomes for most people (at all income levels) has fallen in real terms for around 10 years. Such falls impact more in relative terms on the lower paid than the higher paid who can tolerate it more easily. It is probably one of the main reasons for the Brexit vote, after all, in their minds, it was all the fault of the EU.
Not true.
Income inequality rose a little after the 1987 election and rose more steeply under the Blair and Brown-led governments and then began to fall under the coalition government and fell more sharply under the Conservative government once they were no longer constrained by well meaning socialists.
Real incomes haven't consistently fallen for the last decade. Real incomes for the rich in particular fell in the aftermath of the GFC and for a short while real incomes for those at the bottom fell as the minimum wage was held static. It took some time for real wages to recover lost ground after their initial falls but they have been rising in Britain for some time now.
You will often hear that middle class incomes in America have been static for 20 years but I think that's out of scope for this conversation.0 -
why do you think that the EU has run out of young unemployed people : does that clearly show in the EU employment data?
Why are you so frightened of Turkey joining the EU : is that because you don't like non white, non christian, non european people and that Trumps your passionate belief that population increase is always a 'good' thing??
Why do you think that I am bothered if Turkey join, the threat was aimed at potential Brexit voters, me not being one of them
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
davomcdave wrote: »You seem to be very keen on the idea that Brexit means higher wages for indigenous British people. Who is going to pay these higher wages do you think? I can only see higher wages, if they happen which I don't think they will, being paid by higher prices which means the apparently higher wages will still buy roughly the same amount of stuff.
That's inflation in the way Keynes described. Other sorts of inflation are available.
Higher wages would increase the desire to introduce more efficiency and lower the labour element required.
This is happening anyway. You don't think cheap European delivery drivers will be around forever do you? Machines will do this role in the future.0 -
Why do you think that I am bothered if Turkey joins the EU? That threat was aimed at potential Brexit voters and I was not one of those.
Maybe because you chose to mention it as a threat and maybe beause 'remain' people seemed appalled and outraged at the suggestion.
Many even proudly posted that the East European would veto it so it wasn't a 'real ' threat.0
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