If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

I think the term racist gets way overused and gets used in the wrong context. Fear of immigration and it's consequences was clearly a huge part of the brexit vote however.....much of this was an understandable zero sum game numbers based argument......but the line between this view and you look after your own first, our culture is being swamped etc etc is very thin. The waters became very muddied very quickly.....the economic arguments were lost in fears about the rise of Islamism etc....Farages poster took advantage of this! No clear boundaries were made between refugees and economic migrants. When people fail to see the difference, either out of ignorance or choice we are a sadder society!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I think the term racist gets way overused and gets used in the wrong context. Fear of immigration and it's consequences was clearly a huge part of the brexit vote however.....much of this was an understandable zero sum game numbers based argument......but the line between this view and you look after your own first, our culture is being swamped etc etc is very thin. The waters became very muddied very quickly.....the economic arguments were lost in fears about the rise of Islamism etc....Farages poster took advantage of this! No clear boundaries were made between refugees and economic migrants. When people fail to see the difference, either out of ignorance or choice we are a sadder society!

your inappropriate choice of language and examples clearly shows that you are right.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

I think the term racist gets way overused and gets used in the wrong context. Fear of immigration and it's consequences was clearly a huge part of the brexit vote however.....much of this was an understandable zero sum game numbers based argument......but the line between this view and you look after your own first, our culture is being swamped etc etc is very thin. The waters became very muddied very quickly.....the economic arguments were lost in fears about the rise of Islamism etc....Farages poster took advantage of this! No clear boundaries were made between refugees and economic migrants. When people fail to see the difference, either out of ignorance or choice we are a sadder society!

Still hanging on I see to the myth that somehow the great unwashed were duped by political slight of hand into voting leave. Looking at things dispassionately however there is something big potentially going on in Western democracies, yours and others more fluffy world view is about to trashed across the continent in favour of a more socially conservative politics. The Neo-Liberal consensus is over.

Sapphire

chucknorris wrote: »

Exactly! That was my point about why it wouldn't be a good definition, remember this was the proposed definition:

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Originally Posted by Mortgagefreeman View Post
Remoaner - a person who does not get the right result from a democratic vote

This was tongue in cheek, you know. I'm fully aware that many of those who voted remain should not be classified as 'remoaners', and I've heard a number of people who voted remain now say that we should 'get on with it', i.e. leave.

Remember that some people may have been alarmed by the dire threats uttered by Cameron, Osborn and others before the vote, and voted remain out of fear more than anything else. I'm actually quite surprised (and delighted) that we had the guts to vote to Leave. It just makes so much sense to me, especially given the wreck the EU is on the Continent, for several reasons, and to our growing detriment, which people are becoming increasingly aware of…:cool:

chucknorris

Sapphire wrote: »

This was tongue in cheek, you know. I'm fully aware that many of those who voted remain should not be classified as 'remoaners', and I've heard a number of people who voted remain now say that we should 'get on with it', i.e. leave.

Remember that some people may have been alarmed by the dire threats uttered by Cameron, Osborn and others before the vote, and voted remain out of fear more than anything else. I'm actually quite surprised (and delighted) that we had the guts to vote to Leave. It just makes so much sense to me, especially given the wreck the EU is on the Continent, for several reasons, and to our growing detriment, which people are becoming increasingly aware of…:cool:

You are entitled to your opinion, but so am I. I don't really care that much what others said about Brexit, I voted remain because of what I thought the consequences would be (a significant one (amongst others) being a probable hit on London's population in the long term).

Thrugelmir

Sapphire wrote: »

Remember that some people may have been alarmed by the dire threats uttered by Cameron, Osborn and others before the vote, and voted remain out of fear more than anything else.

Let's be honest. The jury's still out. In or out of the EU. Both the UK and Western Europe face enormous challenges over the next 2 decades. Political posturing will just be a side show to the main events. Will people collectively agree or simply be self interest first.

Sapphire

chucknorris wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion, but so am I. I don't really care that much what others said about Brexit, I voted remain because of what I thought the consequences would be (a significant one (amongst others) being a probable hit on London's population in the long term).

Indeed – and I voted Leave primarily because I was so shocked by the issue of sovereignty being removed from European nations, which no citizen of European countries had ever been asked to vote on! Before the migrant crisis, I really had no idea that the intention was to create a European empire, and one run primarily by Germany. With my background and my parents and grandparents' experiences, this was a terrible shock to me. My convictions have only been intensified since the vote to Leave by the threats and attempts at bullying of sovereign nations by individuals I do not know, have not elected, and don't care about or respect.

Also, since investigating the matter further, I've been very alarmed at the way several nations in the Eurozone have been impoverished and have very high unemployment as the result of German/EU policies (and to the advantage of Germany and the Brussels bureaucrats). Although I love Europeans, I want us to be out of the EU as quickly as possible, before the whole thing collapses. There have been enough warnings about this already by non-Brits (of course ignored by the EU's petty dictators), and I am convinced that this ill-conceived project cannot succeed with so many disparate nations involved…

Sapphire

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Let's be honest. The jury's still out. In or out of the EU. Both the UK and Western Europe face enormous challenges over the next 2 decades. Political posturing will just be a side show to the main events. Will people collectively agree or simply be self interest first.

Yes, that is the case – and it's the whole world rather than just the UK and Western Europe. Things change constantly throughout history, and there are patterns that recur. I hope we can maintain everything that we have gained (often with great difficulty) as a nation over many centuries – for me, that won't happen as part of any empire. Empires end up being too big and cumbersome to succeed, especially if they are made up of numerous 'tribes' that are very different from each other, with different historical experiences, customs and identities that have been shaped by their development for many centuries…

gfplux

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/22/uk-gdp-forecast-a-strong-finish-to-2016-and-a-sharp-slowdown-in-2017

"Official figures this week are expected to provide fresh evidence that the UK economy remained resilient in the face of Brexit uncertainty at the close of 2016 but economists warn Britain is headed for a sharp slowdown this year.
After confounding most economic forecasters with solid GDP growth of 0.6% in the three months following June’s referendum, the economy is expected to have grown 0.5% in the final quarter of last year, according to a Reuters poll of economists."

1) Just a wobble
2) report prepared by experts
3) not yet happened (like new trade deals)
4) who cares
5) there is good news just around the corner

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/22/uk-gdp-forecast-a-strong-finish-to-2016-and-a-sharp-slowdown-in-2017

"Official figures this week are expected to provide fresh evidence that the UK economy remained resilient in the face of Brexit uncertainty at the close of 2016 but economists warn Britain is headed for a sharp slowdown this year.
After confounding most economic forecasters with solid GDP growth of 0.6% in the three months following June’s referendum, the economy is expected to have grown 0.5% in the final quarter of last year, according to a Reuters poll of economists."

1) Just a wobble
2) report prepared by experts
3) not yet happened (like new trade deals)
4) who cares
5) there is good news just around the corner

another 'wish the UK harm ' post