If we vote for Brexit what happens

davomcdave

cogito wrote: »

Out of curiosity, was he speaking Japanese? Words don't always translate exactly.

The FT quoted him in English. I'd be surprised if the CEO of a company like Toyota can't speak English pretty well.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Far right leaders from across Europe are meeting in Koblenz today, including Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders, Matteo Salvini and Frauke Petry.
Representing Germany, France, Holland and Italy they will be discussing their plans for dismantling the European Union.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-farright-idUKKBN1542XF?il=0

Interesting stuff ................ can anyone remain certain that the EU really will survive this year intact, because the pressure for change is without doubt building.

We all wish they don't look across the English Channel and decide they would like to visit!

gfplux

davomcdave wrote: »

If anyone is interested, this is the original article the Toyota quotes are taken from:

https://www.ft.com/content/24ccc368-dd72-11e6-9d7c-be108f1c1dce

This puts Hamish's quote into context:



He makes it quite clear in this quote and later in the article that Brexit has damaged Toyota in the UK and that there are problems that could end Toyota's existence in Britain.

But as a Brexiteers would say,
1) He is an expert
2) His only looking at the future
3) who cares
4) Boris does not believe it

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I was watching the news yesterday evening and reports surrounding Trump's inauguration.
One lady summed up the negativity very well IMHO - and it certainly applies to posters within these forums who are also determined to clutch at each and every possible piece of negativity in order to support their dislike of democracy.
I may paraphrase but basically thus:

It is like taking a journey on an aeroplane and then WISHING that the plane is going to crash.

Matt_L

Weren't these very same people making the very same threats when we decided not to use the Euro???

Mortgagefreeman

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Jeeez Hamish.


I really have no idea why people lap up your spin.

Nor do I. I did a search of his postings from six months ago just after the vote, and found these two gems.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

To be fair they may well still go early next year.

But if they do you can bet your bottom dollar that it'll be Brexit-Light they're going for as the chances of them wanting to fight the 2020 election in the middle of a Brexit-Max recession are zero.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I think they'll exit the EU.

But I don't think they'll exit the single market, nor stop most of the EU immigration (although I do think they'll make some concessions around the edges) nor stop contributing roughly the same to the EU budget as we do today.

And the reason I think they won't do all those things has nothing to do with the EU.

It's because our government knows full well that doing so would result in consequences that did such damage to the British economy and standard of living for the British people that it would make them unelectable in 2020.

So yet again he's wrong,wrong,wrong. :rotfl:

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Re: Toyota, in addition from the FT link provided:

Mr Uchiyamada stressed that no decisions had yet been taken and Toyota would wait to see how the rest of the EU responded to the UK government’s Brexit plans.

So far then it pretty much looks like:
A/ Yet another manufacturer attempting to wring greater concessions.
B/ Yet more vague and ambiguous interpretations by media.
C/ Yet another reason for remain campaigners to cry doom and gloom and to further promote "project fear" - despite the fact that so far this tactic has had the opposite effect to that which was intended.

I almost hate to remind the pro-remain camp of this but:
NOTHING HAS YET BEEN DECIDED.

When it has feel free to whinge with good reason.
Until then and using recent past experience, you may well receive the contempt that such doom-mongering deserves.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Oh and as balance (as well as explaining scepticism) here is a piece by Bloomberg with the very same Takeshi Uchiyamada from Toyota at Davos and also on 18th January this year:

Toyota plans to keep its car- and engine-building plants in the U.K. and may take steps to increase their competitiveness if leaving the European Union raises costs, Chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada said.“We can survive this,” Uchiyamada said in an interview with Bloomberg Television at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “In every country in the world, we don’t tend to close or move factories when things like this happen and it will be the same in the U.K.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-18/nissan-s-brexit-deal-said-to-be-unaffected-by-single-market-exit

Unlike some in these forums I choose to believe neither version, and instead prefer to wait for definite developments.

Realist
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prosaver

davomcdave wrote: »

Maybe. Companies (UBS, HSBC) have announced they are relocating staff because of Brexit. Others (Toyota, Hitachi, Airbus, Lloyds of London) have expressed concerns over the future shape of the British economy and how they fit into it.

It's all very well to say to all these companies that they should just go if they don't like it but the first three of these companies provide skilled, well paid, manufacturing jobs that people always tell me are vital to a modern, vibrant economy and the forth provides even better paid service jobs that generate huge amounts of tax revenue and exports to pay for all that lovely Chinese tat that we all love to consume.

I ment the engineering company's are not going to go
.. but some banks are tho and if that happens im going to switch banks and hope everyone else does

ruggedtoast

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I was watching the news yesterday evening and reports surrounding Trump's inauguration.
One lady summed up the negativity very well IMHO - and it certainly applies to posters within these forums who are also determined to clutch at each and every possible piece of negativity in order to support their dislike of democracy.
I may paraphrase but basically thus:

It is like taking a journey on an aeroplane and then WISHING that the plane is going to crash.

Actually, it's like forcing a bunch of other people to take off in a plane that's unsafe, that doesn't have enough fuel, and is going to a destination they don't want to go to. Then just after take off giving them controls and going "I don't know how to fly a plane - you'll have to do it."

It's the people who voted Remain who made a success of being in the EU, and it's the people who voted Remain who will make a success of being out of the EU.

In ten years time the Leave voters will still be whining and whinging about how liberals are oppressing them in some other way. They'll probably be campaigning to get back into Europe.