If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

ruggedtoast wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high

That report merely states 64% of 18-24 year olds who were registered to vote actually voted.

It doesn't say how many 18-24 year olds couldn't even be bothered to register.

Conrad

Presumably nations like Canada with a points based immigration system are unwelcoming?

Conrad

Mrs May just outlined how the EU would be big losers if they choose to hamper trade.
This has always been key to many Brexiteers that believe all will be well trade wise.

Graham_Devon

Conrad wrote: »

Mrs May just outlined how the EU would be big losers if they choose to hamper trade.
This has always been key to many Brexiteers believe all will be well trade wise.

Think it's the first time we've seen recognition of this from the government - and right from the very top.

Think back to the last PM, the Obama speech etc and everything they were then saying has now changed. No way we'd be able to get deals, we'd all be punished (and roll over) etc etc. Now look.

Frustrating it is, but nice to see recognition of this at the very top.

kabayiri

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

My thought was that ruggedtoast is getting more and more infantile as time goes by.
Akin to a small child having a tantrum, IMHO.

When Toastie talks about the "young" and their future, he is of course referring to a very clear subset of the young.

These are generally middle class; supported through University by their parents; and often helped on to the housing ladder. The fortunate ones, then.

Generally remain votes stayed strong in University towns.

This isn't much help if you are young in an area struggling for work, outside a major city, often in regions where traditional work has disappeared. The EU has basically forgotten you.

We should also remember that the EU really isn't helping many of the young in Europe. Unemployment amongst the young in a number of Southern European states is worryingly high. I've not seen any great clamour to redirect the hundreds of billions in the social cohesion fund to the young in Greece or Portugal or Spain.

kabayiri

Conrad wrote: »

Mrs May just outlined how the EU would be big losers if they choose to hamper trade.
This has always been key to many Brexiteers believe all will be well trade wise.

Did anyone see the program on Trump last night, discussing some of his key placements.

There does seem to be a shift to bold decision makers coming to the fore. You have to be clear and strong.

This might not be an era for the weak minded liberals and Corbynista apologista set. They would sell us down the swanee.

Conrad

Remainers - you will recall we often cited that Britain holds a number of aces.


Another of these was played today by Mrs May when she effectively threatened our world beating vital intelligence services might not wish to share intelligence should the EU decide not to treat us like good neighbours.


We are not weak petitioners, as was made clear way back when

A_Medium_Size_Jock

It is interesting to note that whilst Theresa May is outlining the position of the UK prior to invoking Article 50, the EU's senior politicians are arguing amongst themselves over who will do what regarding Brexit:

Brussels' legislative branch wants "full participation" in exit talks as part of a deal struck to elect its new President.

http://news.sky.com/story/european-parliament-demands-brexit-talks-role-as-it-picks-president-10732038
Strange is it not how those on these forums that are so pro-EU have in the past condemned a perceived lack of agreement from the UK government re: Brexit ............... yet say nothing about the infighting and indecision over Brexit evident within the various institutions of the EU.

ruggedtoast

kabayiri wrote: »

When Toastie talks about the "young" and their future, he is of course referring to a very clear subset of the young.

These are generally middle class; supported through University by their parents; and often helped on to the housing ladder. The fortunate ones, then.

Generally remain votes stayed strong in University towns.

This isn't much help if you are young in an area struggling for work, outside a major city, often in regions where traditional work has disappeared. The EU has basically forgotten you.

We should also remember that the EU really isn't helping many of the young in Europe. Unemployment amongst the young in a number of Southern European states is worryingly high. I've not seen any great clamour to redirect the hundreds of billions in the social cohesion fund to the young in Greece or Portugal or Spain.

You mean those small towns where there is no work, like, Ebbw Vale, which has received hundreds and hundreds of millions of euros in grants and funding from the EU?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

Well now they have voted out of that horrible pipeline of subservience and exploitation, I am sure that the Tory Party that destroyed their economy in the first place will shower them in even more cash. Because, the whole country will just have so much of it when we are stuck outside of Europe.

Again, so many people who voted for Brexit have done nothing other than screw themselves over. Although small working class communities outside the South East really don't know what a good screwing over is until they've had one from the Tories. You'd think they'd remember the last time...

Conrad

Wimps like Farron saying we should not threaten the EU, what a drip.


You absolutely go in hard, resolved to walking away from a bad deal. The last thing we should do is employ the sappy-pappy 'liberal' hug-fest approach to the EU.


We will continue to be good neighbours, but of course we expect good neighbourly terms in return.